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To: Quila
"To start, I'll bet you that whatever apparently (hi Sabertooth) random initial DNA sequence would result in a viable life form in any conditions on earth. My chances of winning are extremely small, as the math shows. However, over a billion years, I wonder how many DNA sequences tried and died because they didn't result in a viable life form? Something with a very high exponent I'm sure. Enough tries to even out the odds? What we see are the results of the tries that worked."

If your DNA sequence (that you refer to above) is longer (counting sequential base pairs) than a sequence equivilant to 96 letters in the English alphabet, then the math shows that it can not happen randomly in 17 Billion years of trying.

The sequencing of any data over that size must be done by a non-natural process, per the math in said proof.

322 posted on 03/08/2002 9:49:23 AM PST by Southack
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To: Southack
The sequencing of any data over that size must be done by a non-natural process, per the math in said proof.

Wrong. It would indicate a non-random cause, not a non-natural one.

325 posted on 03/08/2002 10:05:29 AM PST by mlo
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To: Southack
I've identified a problem :

then the math shows that it can not happen randomly in 17 Billion years of trying. The sequencing of any data over that size must be done by a non-natural process, per the math in said proof.

How do you justify getting from 'cannot happen randomly' to 'non-natural'? It seems to me a more logical conclusion would be 'the natural process wasn't random in the way Watson described'.

348 posted on 03/08/2002 1:56:38 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Southack
then the math shows that it can not happen randomly in 17 Billion years of trying.

Never say "can not happen." Think about it this way. If you have an apparently random strand, what are the odds that it will be arranged in a way to create exactly us? Very small. What are the odds that it will arrange in some way? 1:1 since it's obviously arranged. How many billions, or even trillions of different DNA have been in viable creatures on this earth? How many billions, trillions, quadrillions or more combinations are just as viable? That divides your odds quite a bit, not that the odds matter anyway. ID people calculate the odds for us to appear, but evolution doesn't place any bets on us having appeared in the first place, only that through the process, something will have appeared. So there are no odds to consider.

386 posted on 03/11/2002 1:10:00 AM PST by Quila
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