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"WHY DID HE SHOOT ME" --maimed Eagle Scout
BALTIMORE SUN ^ | March 3, 2002 | Kimberly A. C. Wilson

Posted on 03/04/2002 9:11:40 AM PST by one2many

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Squantos
I'm saving up for a new boat, thinking ketch, about a 50 footer, small enough to singlehand when I need to and big enough for friends to go sailing with me ! Bout a year down the line (soonest) .

If you can keep your boat under 40 ft you can save a lot of money. Dock space and anchoring are priced at higher rates per foot for boats over 40ft in most places. Going down from 42 ft to 38 ft, a friend of mine cut his live aboard expenses by more than $15,000 a year.

261 posted on 03/06/2002 3:50:16 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Zorobabel
Thanks for posting that.

The article seemed like it was transcribed word-for-word from the FBI press release, though.

262 posted on 03/06/2002 3:50:59 PM PST by snopercod
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To: Zorobabel
Thanks; here it is in full:

FBI apologizes for mistaken shooting
Wounding of Pasadena man called 'unfortunate accident'; Agency vows full investigation

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By Stephen Manning
The Associated Press
Originally published March 6, 2002, 4:52 PM EST

WOODLAWN -- The FBI apologized today for the shooting of an unarmed man Friday by agents searching for a bank robber, but gave few other details about the incident.

"Let me express our sincere sorrow for this unfortunate accident," said Lynne Hunt, the agent in charge of the FBI's Baltimore office.

"We will do everything necessary to complete a full investigation of the facts."

Joseph Schultz, 20, of Pasadena, was shot Friday afternoon after the car his girlfriend was driving was pulled over. His attorney said afterward that Schultz may have been shot while reaching for the seatbelt after he was ordered out of the car.

Hunt said she would not give any details on what led to the shooting while a shooting review team is investigating.

Schultz remained in serious but stable condition today at Maryland Shock Trauma Center with a shattered right cheek and jaw. Family members said he spoke for the first time since the shooting, saying he thought he was going to die.

Schultz was riding with his girlfriend, Krissy Harkum, 16, when they were pulled over at 6 p.m. Friday in Pasadena by four FBI agents looking for a bank robber.

Hunt said Harkum's car was similar to the suspect's car and that the man they were seeking also had a female companion in his car.

Hunt would not identify the agent who fired an M-4 rifle at Schultz, saying it was FBI policy not to give out names.

Joseph C. Asensio, an attorney for Schultz's family, said agents approached the car with rifles drawn and ordered the two out of the vehicle.

Asensio has stated that Schultz was reaching to unfasten his seat belt when he was shot.

She denied allegations that Schultz did not receive immediate medical treatment for his injuries.

She said that an FBI agent came to his aid and also called for emergency help.

Shootings by FBI agents are very rare. Last year, there were only 11 intentional shootings by agents, three of which involved dogs, Hunt said.

The agent who shot Schultz has been temporarily reassigned at his own request.

FBI policy allows agents to use lethal force if they believe a suspect is about to place them in "imminent danger," Hunt said. She would not say if this incident met that criteria.

Hunt said she apologized to Schultz through Asensio and to Harkum's father, Joseph Harkum.

Joseph Harkum would not comment today.

The FBI arrested the alleged bank robber they were looking for on Sunday. Michael Blottenberger is charged with robbing an Allfirst branch bank Feb. 20.

263 posted on 03/06/2002 5:19:55 PM PST by one2many
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To: michaelje
This is so sad.

I agree.

Ah, the state of freedom in Amerika.

264 posted on 03/06/2002 5:21:32 PM PST by one2many
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To: Squantos
Bump!!!!!
265 posted on 03/06/2002 6:14:32 PM PST by Donald Stone
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To: one2many
She denied allegations that Schultz did not receive immediate medical treatment for his injuries.

It's going to be his and the girlfriend's word against that of a scad of Fibbies. One would think that Schultz himself would have corrected the allegation if indeed it was false.

266 posted on 03/06/2002 8:31:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Teacher317
Good job-- thanks for the flag.
267 posted on 03/06/2002 8:32:48 PM PST by mafree
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To: one2many
The agent who shot Schultz has been temporarily reassigned at his own request.

As if he would just keep on keeping on in that same squad if he had NOT requested it? Not even put on "leave with pay"? Gimme a break, by their own word they're still investigating. This reeks of coverup speak.

268 posted on 03/06/2002 8:34:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: SUSSA
Good point. I just read where Corpus Christi Texas has all but said get the hell out to cruisers and live aboards. Some BS time limit permit thang ?!?!?!?

My old boat was in private shipyard in Port Arthur Texas for 4 years so I sold it. You have any info on the Packet Boats ?

Stay safe and thanks for the tip !

271 posted on 03/06/2002 10:26:16 PM PST by Squantos
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To: one2many
Last year, there were only 11 intentional shootings by agents, three of which involved dogs, Hunt said.

Several things leap to mind from this sentence...

Just how many 'unintentional' shootings did they have last year?
Is this rate higher or lower than that of police, US Marshals, etc.? (Not gonna beat BATF, thats's fer sure!)
What do they have against my puppies? =^(

272 posted on 03/07/2002 5:28:18 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: tenthirteen
Well, I'll be! Listings with a toll free number are there in most books. But addresses are another thing. Our book gives you the 1-800-EAT-1040 number for the IRS, even though they have several local offices in the area. Same with FBI,ATF, etc... Never do you get an address. I think some of the large cities where federal buildings are the norm, the locations cannot be dodged. Those monolith buildings have a police presence(rightfully so). I think it is all the federal offices that lease office space in the majority of the countryside that are "invisible". They don't want the security costs that come with the visibility. It is common for IRS offices to move every two to three years from place to place like gypsies.
273 posted on 03/07/2002 5:32:18 AM PST by blackdog
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To: MarkWar
The same identifiers have you pegged too, laddie. Forearmed is forearmed. ;-/

Moo-hoo-huh-hah-haaah-HAAAHHH-HAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

274 posted on 03/07/2002 6:02:36 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: one2many
From todays Washington Post (March 7th)

She (Hunt) said that four agents were involved in the shooting -- but refused to identify any of them -- and that the agent who fired on Schultz asked to be placed on administrative leave after the incident.

She also played down the significance of the weapon used in the shooting, an M4 assault rifle.

"You should not get hung up on the word 'rifle,' " Hunt told reporters. "I know that many people think rifles are these huge, horrible guns."

I thought that was interesting. I guess M4's are just like your old Red Ryder, only plastic. A kinder, gentler full auto 5.56mm carbine. Hmmm.

275 posted on 03/07/2002 6:06:04 AM PST by xsrdx
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To: xsrdx
Actually I believe that we have the makings there for a fabulous gun rights statement!
Glad the fascist bi*ch uttered it myself.
Thanks for hi-liting it; I had missed it in my haste.
276 posted on 03/07/2002 6:17:19 AM PST by one2many
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To: editor-surveyor
The FBI have failed us miserably. I don't think any rational American can think otherwise.
277 posted on 03/07/2002 10:32:58 AM PST by wideawake
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To: snopercod
"We need to start a list of crimes committed by federal employees that Ashcroft has failed to prosecute. Just off the top of my head:
The Lynx hair fraud !!

The Eagle scout shot by the FBI !!

278 posted on 03/07/2002 11:46:23 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
I don't think many Americans have grasped the importance of the lynx hair fraud. And realize that the functionaries who are the perpetrators of the fraud have, to date, WALKED!

Perhaps this is why:

”I have long contended that Americans, at least as reflected by public discussion, some time ago drifted into a form of mild insanity. It is probably inevitable as generations grow up fixated on fictional images bombarding them from television and movie screens.” –Charley Reese

279 posted on 03/07/2002 1:20:23 PM PST by one2many
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To: editor-surveyor
BTW, does Gallutia still hang out here?

And did you see 275 above?

280 posted on 03/07/2002 1:21:55 PM PST by one2many
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