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Foreigners Must Learn German Or Be Expelled From Austria
DeutschePresse - no url yet | 3/4/02

Posted on 03/04/2002 5:01:27 AM PST by NativeNewYorker

Vienna (dpa) - Immigrants from outside the E.U. will have to pass German courses within four years or else be expelled from Austria, the government said on Monday.

Foreigners arriving in the country would also have to show a health certificate.

Presenting a new ``integration contract'', the government said the foreigners would have to pay 50 per cent of the cost of the language courses themselves.

The other half would be paid out of public funds or by the foreigner's employer. |

The German courses would be mandatory for non-E.U. citizens who had arrived in Austria after January 1, 1998, said top government officials including Interior Minister Ernst Strasser.

The courses would be 100 hours at least, and the cost nearly 400 euros (345 dollars) per person. Taught would be not only the German language, but also ``basic organizational processes, and knowledge of the country and state''.

If the immigrant completed the course in 18 months, the residence permit would be extended for two years, if not, for one year.

Those failing after 18 months would be sanctioned. They would have to pay 75 per cent of the further courses themselves, and after two years, 100 per cent.

There would be an additional ``administrative fine'' of 100 euros after two years, and 200 euros after three.

If the immigrants had not started their course after three years, or completed it after four, they would lose their residence permits altogether.

The other new introduction was the health certificate. The government said that when submitted on entry to the country, it must not be more than 90 days old.

The exact content was still to be decided on. It would be orientated on ``a European catalogue''.

Presenting its new ``integration'' program, the government did not comply with frequent opposition demands that all foreigners who are allowed to live in Austria should automatically be allowed to work as well.

The new regulations also expanded the use of temporary ``seasonal'' workers.

These workers would no longer be limited to the traditional areas of tourism and agriculture, but could also be employed elsewhere.

A seasonal worker would get a work permit for six months, which could be extended for another six months.

But after that, at least two months must lapse before a further permit could be applied for.

Strasser said the new regulations would go into force on January 1 next year.


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21 posted on 03/04/2002 5:53:45 AM PST by WIMom
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To: NativeNewYorker
My opinion
22 posted on 03/04/2002 5:55:48 AM PST by Consort
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Why not? German will be spoken in Austria; Hungarian will be spoken in Hungary, and the various Slavic dialects will be spoken in their respective regions, just like the old days.

It only remains for Austria to graft itself onto CEFTA, add one (1) Habsburg, and knead gently.

23 posted on 03/04/2002 6:01:37 AM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: NativeNewYorker
I spent a week in Hungary. I almost got in trouble because I didn't realize the guy on the train was asking to see my pass. Hungary (except in the very very touristy areas) is pretty English-free. Many locals speak some German, but I only know French and Spanish.

Hong Kong is a former Brit colony, Japanese tend to speak English pretty well and the French get British tourists (but will often refuse to speak English). Italy would seem to be the only one that would not have a natural English tie-in.

But, of course, the more advanced the country, the more educated the populace and the more English speakers there are.

24 posted on 03/04/2002 6:01:52 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Ramos
Austria is just a once and future haven for Neo-Nazis.

Please explain what this has to do with learning the language / culture of a country you're planning on relocating to?

25 posted on 03/04/2002 6:03:11 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: NativeNewYorker
An example we should follow.
26 posted on 03/04/2002 6:11:14 AM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: Sabertooth
BTT
27 posted on 03/04/2002 6:31:45 AM PST by harpseal
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To: areafiftyone
Why can't we do that in the United States? Have all foreigners should be forced to learn English.[sic, "Have all" and "should be" belong to two different sentence constructions.] After all[sic, no comma] it would be for their benefit [sic, no comma] too. Do you know how frustrating it is in New York when [sic, clumsy use of adverbial clause] you ask someone on the subway if [sic, should be 'whether'] its[sic, no apostrophe] an express or [sic, missing the article 'a'] local and they [sic, improper subject/pronoun agreement: 'someone' is singular and requires either 'he' or 'she'] just look at you with a blank look [sic, 'look...with a blank look', poor word choice] and say [sic, no comma before direct quote] "don't speak English" [sic, 'don't' isn't capitalized] to you. [sic, lacking a question mark; 'to you' is redundant] You wonder how they can get around at all.*

I'm wondering that, too. You're going to be first in line for remediation or your exit papers, right?
Corrected:

Why can't we do that in the United States? Have all foreigners learn English. OR All foreigners should be forced to learn English. After all, it would be for their benefit, too. Do you know how frustrating it is in New York to ask someone on the subway whether it's an express or a local and to have him just look at you blankly and say, "Don't speak English"? OR Do you know how frustrating it is to ask someone on the New York subway whether the train you're waiting for is an express or a local and to have him just give you a blank look and say, "Don't speak English"? You wonder how he can get around at all.
*My question is this: If you couldn't tell by looking at it whether the train you were waiting for (or had actually boarded) was a local or an express, why do you think that someone else should? Besides, your example makes it appear that your wanting them to learn English is more for your benefit than for their own.
29 posted on 03/04/2002 6:40:32 AM PST by aruanan
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To: AmishDude
I forgot my trip to Germany (Freudian, no doubt). There too, I was able to navigate and even conduct business meetings in English.

We're close to a world where English, Spanish, Japanese and Chinese alone will cover nearly all of the developed world.

30 posted on 03/04/2002 6:42:51 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: Sabertooth
Hehehe, sind sie glücklich?
31 posted on 03/04/2002 6:47:14 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Sabertooth
I think that everyone should learn English. It's good to know that if I ever move to Austria, that I'll get to stay. I went out of my way to learn 2 more languages, and I live in America! It's sad that we don't make people learn English when they come here. How many people do you know that speak Spanish? How many people do you know who speak Spanglish? Compare the two, and then realize that this isn't the same country it used to be.
32 posted on 03/04/2002 7:04:56 AM PST by MadRobotArtist
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To: NativeNewYorker
This discussion reminds of the official languages of the Salt Lake Olympics: English and French. I wondered about the reasoning behind the inclusion of French until my wife reminded me about Canada's two languages.

In spite of this language barrier the Germans took home the most metals.

33 posted on 03/04/2002 7:18:39 AM PST by DakotaRepublican
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To: aristotleman
Well, you know...dude, that, like, it's hard to, you know...like , talk, you know...right...you know? Whatever.
34 posted on 03/04/2002 7:24:09 AM PST by wku man
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To: Ramos
"Yeah, I signed up today, so what?"

So go back to DU, loser.

35 posted on 03/04/2002 7:26:30 AM PST by wku man
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To: NativeNewYorker
Actually, the conference was fine, it was getting things in shops and from vendors that was a problem. Knowing English is synonymous with being educated these days in other countries. In an ironic twist, it is the lingua franca.
36 posted on 03/04/2002 7:38:37 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
And here in New Mexico, as Spanish is (and has been for 500 years) (one of) the official language(s), everyone who moves here will be required to learn Spanish. (But what about Tiwa and Keresan, these speakers resent the imposition of Na Dene and want to keep their native tongues, not to mention those in their mouths.)
37 posted on 03/04/2002 7:40:59 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: aruanan
Tone and content of your post suggest a teacher of some type:
Better to post your criticism of another's typing skills on a link dedicated to the crappy performance of even the better US schools.

And, note as well that, perhaps if english were given more weight in our schools - before learning how to properly respect our illegal immigrant attendees - the likes of us, the rest of us, could be as erudite as yourself.

Regarding your #20, "...there are the same kind of idiots over there as over here. As Paul McCartney said, "People are the same wherever you go.".

Yes, people are generally the same. Unfortunately, when they cannot communicate, by accident or design, being the same helps not a whit. When they come into your house and ignore your rules, rights, and institutions; sameness no longer counts.
Austria is attempting to hold it's own against the NWO - not a bad concept at all.

38 posted on 03/04/2002 7:42:21 AM PST by norton
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To: AmishDude
Ramos = Jorge Ramos = Univision Reconquista guy

Or his doppleganger.

Now where would I find the font for an umlaut?

39 posted on 03/04/2002 7:45:02 AM PST by Regulator
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To: NativeNewYorker
At least there is still some sanity in Austria.
40 posted on 03/04/2002 7:58:27 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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