Nixon, Billy Graham on tape expressing anti-semitism

Chicago Tribune ^

[Newz Beagle]

Nixon, Graham anti-Semitism on tape President, pastor recorded views in 1972 meeting click on link above.... ...

[Polybius]

So now you know why it will be difficult to convince Jews to vote Republican.

So Richard Nixon says something and all Republicans are blamed?

Do Democrat slurs such as Jesse Jackson's "Hymietown" slur and Hillary Clinton's "F.J.B" slur count for nothing?

[The_Media_never_lie]

The same people who decry the cry of "anti semiticism" are the same claiming "the Jews control Hollywood". If the owners of the Pittsburg Steel Mills happened to be Lutheran, Would the Lutherans control the steel business?

If a Lutheran owned the Pittsburg Steel Mills he would be bankrupt.

[a_witness]

So Richard Nixon says something and all Republicans are blamed?

Sadly so.

Do Democrat slurs such as Jesse Jackson's "Hymietown" slur and Hillary Clinton's "F.J.B" slur count for nothing?

They counted against the Reverend, but Hillary was (sadly) not caught on tape.

[Recovering_Democrat]

Let's try this again: Do you believe all that you read, especially the first time, in a press that is, by even their own admission, anti-religion anyway? You haven't listened to the tape in the context of the time, place, setting or in its entirety. OTOH, we DO KNOW the public words and actions of the man for 40 or 50 years ongoing. You cannot point to a single instance of anti-Semitic behavior or rhetoric. Yet you find this one instance as an incredible window into a man's attitude about an entire race of people.

That isn't only illogical, it is idiocy. When you have a pattern of behavior (see: Bill Clinton), one might make an argument. You don't have that with Reverend Graham. You've got one instance of one conversation on one tape in an 83-year lifetime...and you haven't even got the context in which that conversation occurred?

The vast stupidity of inferring one is anti-Semite from that miniscule shred of evidence boggles the mind.

Let me review your life and pick out an instance or two where you put your foot in your mouth and condemn you for it. Oh, but wait...that would be taking it out of context, wouldn't it?

For one who wants to emphasize "the LORD" so much, it would behoove you to remember the importance of context in exegesis.

[Pharmboy]

Pretty impressive, AP, wouldn't you agree?
Your witness.

[Pharmboy]

From The Jewish Bulletin of Northern California:

June 14, 1996

Clinton, Dole backers debate: Who's best for Jews?

NATALIE WEINSTEIN

Bulletin Staff

In surveys, 15 percent of Jews classify themselves as conservative, 40 percent as moderate and 45 percent as liberal. But when Jews answer specific questions, Field said, they generally come out as "reasonably conservative" on economic issues and liberal on social issues.

"It's the social issues that are driving them more than economic issues," added Field, who is Jewish.

[Pharmboy]

From the Jewish Journal:

"The lopsided liberalism of the Jews shows up in their responses to issues on the public agenda, particularly on abortion.

Jews are overwhelmingly pro-choice, with 61 percent saying the decision should always be left to the mother. Among other groups, the figure ranged from 40 percent of Blacks and Asian Americans to 29 percent among Italian and Arab Americans and 24 percent of Hispanics who were fully pro-choice.

Similarly, fewer than 50 percent of Jews believe in notifying parents when a minor seeks an abortion, compared with nearly 80 percent in every other group.

Jews are also the most supportive of letting the federal government set education policy, the most supportive of campaign donation limits and the least supportive of increasing the military budget. In general, Jews showed a greater faith in the power of the federal government to do good than any other group.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

. I think Hollywood and most of the media are hostile to the great Myth that is called Christian Conservatism in general.

See Michael Medved's Hollywood Hates America. The problem is not with religious Jews like Medved, as he points out, it is Jews with no religion, or with very little religion who bash Christians, and bash religious Jews with similar enthusiasm.

The fact of the percentage of Jews in the media being substantially larger than their percentage of the general population is naturally not due to some conspiracy, but rather to the attachment of 'The People of the Book' to intellectual matters in general, especially after they were excluded from many other professions, even in this country, for generations. Partially for these reasons they gravitated to an industry that dealt with ideas and did not exclude them.

Now that the communications medias power has grown so great, its domination by a demographic group with extremely skewed political and cultural viewpoints does become a matter of concern. In the black community local shopkeepers, who tend to be Asian in ancestry, have a localized form of relative power, and are naturally resented. As were the Irish, when they were disproportionately represented in the police forces of the great urban areas.

This seems to be the sort of reactions that Nixon and Graham gave, it seems to me. Those who call this sort of thing anti-semitism either have no experience with the real thing, or are being disingenuous. To compare their quotes to perpetrating the holocaust is to trivialize the suffering of the victims of the actual holocaust.

[xm177e2]

Nixon demurs that this does not mean "that all the Jews are bad" but that most are left-wing radicals who want "peace at any price except where support for Israel is concerned. The best Jews are actually the Israeli Jews."

Reagan's view was similar to this, he liked Israelis because they were a bunch of cowboys. Most American Jews just can't measure up in that respect to Israeli Jews.

Unfortunatley nowadays, the liberal Jews want peace at any price EVEN where support for Israel is concerned.

[AppyPappy]

Source please

[wardaddy]

I agree. I would add that the urban concentration of Jews around NYC as well as culturally stressing education and yes even medieval laws about property rights and moneylending have also contributed to a prepondernace of Jews in the media and finance.

This is a weary topic. I am heartened by something I think BenF or Sabramerican passed on to me as to where nearly 60% of Jews under 30 in the NYC area voted for Bush. I hope it's a trend.

Regards.

[Tribune7]

You don't have that with Reverend Graham. You've got one instance of one conversation on one tape in an 83-year lifetime...and you haven't even got the context in which that conversation occurred? The vast stupidity of inferring one is anti-Semite from that miniscule boggles the mind.

Excellent point!

[Pharmboy]

I gave you three polls. There it is...clear as a bell. 80% vote Democratic...because they favor bigger federal govt (as in education; see source), because they favor gun control and are the biggest supporters of abortion. Read the articles, do a Google search.

And what's your point anyway?? That Jewish people are staunchly FOR 2nd Amendment rights? That they work against the abortion laws (the Orthodox do, actually; small percentage though). That even though EIGHTY PERCENT VOTED FOR X42 THEY ARE REALLY CONSERVATIVE?

Puh-leeze. These are facts; you do your credibility no good by denying them. The owners and editors of mass media and communications are represented OVERWHELMINGLY proportionally by Jews. It is my take on the matter that that in and of itself is not bad; what many people object to is the LIBERAL influence. To deny that Jews are OVERWHELMINGL liberal and then tie that together with the quiblling about the Jewish media influence is a loser.

And I am a lifetime NRA member since 1976, a Republican, and a twenty-percenter.

[Tribune7]

He who covers over an offense promotes love, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.
Proverbs 17:9

There's also the one about not paying attention to the plank in one's own eye.

[AshleyMontagu]

Definition of anti-Semite: One whom Jews hate.

[Tribune7]

Nixon was a good friend to Israel. And he was right about Jews in the media at that time. And I'm a Jew.

One of the things that most impressed me about the issue -- and I'm no fan of Nixon's -- is the very passionate defense Ben Stein gives him when writing in the American Spectator concerning the 1973 war. Stein worked in the Nixon White House and saw much of went on behind the scenes during that time.

[68 grunt]

Elmer Gantry said that? I'm shocked! NOT!!!

[Michael.SF.]

But there is no difference between their apologists

Actually, there is a huge difference in their 'apologists'. And I am not clear if your intention is to portray me as a Nixon apologist or not.

Here is the difference between what I see as the Clinton supporters and the Conservatives who make comparisons between the two:

Clinton supporters deny that he did anything wrong and use phrases such as:

'No proof'
'No controlling legal authority'
'I don't recall'
'it was a simple mistake'
etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum

Nixon's people on the other hand freely admit, as do I, that resigning was the right thing to do because he did disgrace the office.

Clinton : Blame the other guy and the VRWC

Nixon : OK, you finally caught me, I'm outta here.

History proved that Nixon's decision was the right one and over time he did regain some semblence of respect in most reasonable circles.

Clinton over time I think will fair far worse. He is now starting to become the butt of jokes, even amongst his old supporters. Eventually, they too will recognize him for the disgracefull and despicable person that he is.

The number of 'crimes' committed by Clinton are far longer then those by Nixon. If Nixon had had the loyalty of his people that Clinton had he never would have been forced out of office.

[snopercod]

Well reasoned analysis.

I don't consider myself to be a racist or a bigot, both of which imply an irrational or emotional discrimination against those of another race or religion.

But I observe that many, if not most, Jews are of the leftist persuasion, a fact that has always confounded me, considering that the man waiting at the end of the "left" fork in the road is Adolph Hitler.