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Yates lived by rigid schedule, according to husband
The Dallas Morning News ^ | March 1, 2002 (The Ides of March are upon us!) | By TERRI LANGFORD / The Dallas Morning News

Posted on 03/01/2002 1:45:51 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

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To: ClancyJ
A wife walking around like a zombie with greasy matted hair and reeking is a definite clue that things are not working.

One thing is certain. If he had requested a separation because of her state, they would have placed the kids with her. It always seems to work that way. I can think of two cases right now where the mother was certifiably nuts but got custody.

241 posted on 03/01/2002 7:11:25 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
Let me ask it this way then. Is there any way that he could legally be held equally responsible for the deaths or her mental state?
242 posted on 03/01/2002 7:11:53 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: one_particular_harbour
I'd love to kick his teeth out about now - gotta watch the BP.

I think excercise is good for the blood pressure, and kicking certainly qualifies. And if anyone ever needed it, he does... along with the charges that he ought to be facing.

243 posted on 03/01/2002 7:12:28 AM PST by SCalGal
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To: AppyPappy
How do you know she didn't WANT to be treated this way.

I've been reading this thread and thinking about saying something. This has rendered me speechless. (Not barefoot. Not pregnant. Not in the kitchen. Just speechless.)

244 posted on 03/01/2002 7:13:31 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: MeeknMing
Yates is trying to have it two incompatible ways: on the one hand, his wife was really completely totally crazy, and on the other hand, it was perfectly okay for him to keep having kids and to leave the kids alone with her and have her try to cope with five little kids and homeschool.

Both conditions simply can't be true. It's clinton-like, you know, expecting to be able to have things be true every which way that happens to benefit you.

245 posted on 03/01/2002 7:14:14 AM PST by Irene Adler
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To: MeeknMing
While Mr. Yates found time for interests such as biking to work, joining a gym and working in the garage, Mrs. Yates had the children and home-schooling to keep up with.

I think it is wrong to represent children and home-schooling, or natural childbirth as a punishing regime. Or even three hours off a week. These are not things that are in themselves punishing. It does not lead to mass murder of the children. People should look elsewhere for an explanation.

As an example, when I had three babies. I taught them, but did not home school. I stayed home with them until they were in second grade. At that time, I had one hour off a week, during which I watched Mission Impossible. I was totally scheduled and I loved it. My babies were a constant source of joy, teaching them was amazing. Every minute with them was better than anything since.

I am saying these things to buttress the FACT that these things are not in themselves punishing. It is ridiculous for anyone to view with alarm the fact that a woman spends all her time caring for her family. There was something wrong in this case, but it was not an inevitable consequence of a cruel schedule.

247 posted on 03/01/2002 7:14:57 AM PST by Marylander
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To: AppyPappy
How do you know she didn't WANT to be treated this way.

What sane woman wants to be treated the way he treated her.

248 posted on 03/01/2002 7:15:42 AM PST by muggs
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I know two women who refused to leave control freaks. They couldn't handle being on their own. One even molested one of the kids and she wouldn't leave. She said she couldn't survive without him.

When I worked for the ambulance service, we had one steady call. The wife would call the ambulance if her husband stayed in the bathroom too long. We eventually threatened her with jail. But he stayed with her.

249 posted on 03/01/2002 7:17:17 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
How do you know she didn't WANT to be treated this way.

Two suicide attempts are a pretty good indicator that she was NOT happy with her life. Unfortunately, it looks as though justice will have to wait for the 'final judgment'. jmo

250 posted on 03/01/2002 7:17:23 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: muggs
I don't know. It's a mystery to me. But you probably know some yourself. I would have killed him and taken the insurance money.
251 posted on 03/01/2002 7:18:14 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
If it was that bad, why didn't the State take the kids?
252 posted on 03/01/2002 7:19:16 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Why did the State let her keep her kids? If he had left her and taken the kids, the state would have made sure she got custody. I don't see a way out of this. We let crazy women raise kids.
254 posted on 03/01/2002 7:21:15 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
He'll find another one just like her. Put money on it.
255 posted on 03/01/2002 7:22:12 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
I can't think of a single worker who would remove them in a situation like that.

Don't the mental health professionals have to report a possibly dangerous condition ?

258 posted on 03/01/2002 7:25:18 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: OneidaM
Sorry about your child. Hard to understand why things happen isn't it?

This woman is guilty but it is a sad case. Her husband is not guilty of killing the children but he is guilty of choosing to see what he wanted to see and have more children with a mentally defective wife even though she could not handle the ones she had. Did he care that the mental disease could be passed on to more children?

When Andrea called him at work - she said "I've finally done it" (or something similar). So, she must have told him earlier of her desire to kill the children. If she had not, she would have said "I've done something to the children". If she had told him earlier - why in the xxxx didn't he arrange for those children to have someone else there also. Why didn't he then get them into public school where they would be away from a mother considering killing them?

IMO he didn't because he refuses to see anything but what he wants to see. His desire for a traditional family with his wife teaching them is more important than the fact that his children are in danger. With a sick and dangerous mother, the children need to look to a sane father to see that they are protected - he failed them.

He may not be guilty of murder but he failed those children and now they are dead. What about his traditional family now? Another thing, how can a man continue to love and protect a woman who has killed five of his children. Where is the anger, and fury?

259 posted on 03/01/2002 7:26:06 AM PST by ClancyJ
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