[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Jesus declared infants innocent.

You are telling lies again.
There is not a single verse of Scripture in which Jesus declares, "Infants are innocent of Sin".

I will freely admit that there is not a single verse of Scripture which states that all those who die in infancy go to heaven. There are just no verses in Scripture which state the opposite -- that infants go to Hell.

Likewise, you must freely admit that there is not a single verse of Scripture which states that infants are innocent. However, there are verses which declare that they have sinned.

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. (Psalm 58:3)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23)
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and also death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5:12)

Your inferential theology must therefore wholly defer to the explicit word of Scripture. All have sinned.

Paul uses language that shows he sees them as innocent.

Nope. Paul says that All have sinned.

The psalmist says God uses "infants" to ordain appropriate praise.

Indeed, it is God alone who must so prepare praise for Himself from the mouths of babes, for Scripture declares that infants come from the womb speaking lies.

The Psalmist declares that there is NO son of Adam who is not a Sinner.

The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. (Psalm 14: 2-3)

God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Throughout the bible there are many verses that speak to an acceptance of the innocense and incapacity of infants and children. You simply cannot argue against it.

There is NOT ONE such verse.

If there were, you would cite it.

Scripture explicitly states that infants come from the womb speaking lies. You must, therefore, believe that (but you don't).
Scripture NOWHERE explicitly states that "infants are innocent". If there were such a verse, you would cite it (and you can't).

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

I can believe that God prepares praise for Himself out of the mouths of babes. My theology permits me to believe this. But can you believe that "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies"? No, you can't.

My theology commensurates all Scriptures together under its aegis. Your theology, attempts to raise Scripture against itself, for you cannot bear to believe that "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies".

This is due to the fact that MY theology is Biblical, and yours is anti-Biblical.

[RnMomof7]

The psalmist says God uses "infants" to ordain appropriate praise.
Indeed, it is God alone who must so prepare praise for Himself from the mouths of babes, for Scripture declares that infants come from the womb speaking lies.

Scripture also says the rocks will cry out..God can make all of His creation ,even the lifeless give Him praise..

[xzins]

Hi, Ortho. Glad to see you back. What time did you get to bed last night. I rolled about 3 eastern. Insomnia or just your pattern?

Come on, bud, you know that it isn't a lie if it's what I believe. You could call it wrong, misguided, silly, etc., but it isn't a lie.

Also, we went over this last night. Should we just copy/paste all we said then? Make it easier for my typing hand.

BTW, you owe me some editing on the definitions.