[Ward Smythe]

Really, at what point in my post do you and I separate?

It's back in Post #178 Woody.

Like I said, it's a difficult concept. I'm simply not going to get into "yes it is" - "no it isn't" - "yes it is" - "no it isn't."

You can post all day long that I've given you the debate, but I haven't.

[CCWoody]

God knows that man sins; for he knows all things: Yet we do not sin because he knows it, but he knows it because we sin; and his knowledge supposes our sin, but does not in anywise cause it. John Wesley on Predestination.

I will grant you this statement. It affects absolutely nothing about the Predestination we are discussing. You have already granted that God, knowing the final chioce of a man, could have created him differently so that he would have chosen to Repent. It is God's foreknowledge of his choice to create him this way or that way, which Predestined that man. You have already given me this.

[Jean Chauvin]

"You can post all day long that I've given you the debate, but I haven't."

You can post all day long that you haven't given us the debate, but that doesn't change the fact that in reality you have! ;)

Jean