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What operating system do I get tomorrow??
me

Posted on 02/25/2002 4:18:44 PM PST by Sungirl

I would appreciate any advice.....

Tomorow at noon is a big day.....
Do I get Windows 98....Windows 2000.....Windows ME?? Windows XP is OUT!

I just want it for home use...no networks....no administrators. Simple, efficient and stable.

PLEASE ADVISE.


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To: innocentbystander
He already has a few dozen times, as have I when I worked for them myself.

Not on this thread - he didn’t say anything about his association with Microsoft. If he's going to go around promoting a company on this site, he ought to at least be honest about it and state that he works for the company and probably has a an equity position (stock) as well.

You might consider that we might know more about this subject than you do.

Yep, I hope you would to some degree. But, If you have a vested interest in promoting a product or company on the FreeRepublic, at the very least you make that clear upfront. The FreeRepublic was not intended as a marketing extension of Microsoft.

But of course, all we really want is to take your money, right?

I would like to know what happens when Microsoft stops supporting XP? If you have a copy, can it still be moved to another platform? With this XP licensing scheme, the consumer is just leasing XP from Microsoft and not really owning it after all. It’s up to Microsoft to grace you with a new license key code as long as Microsoft see it fit to do so. If, for example, a small manufacturing company working hard to press out a dime of profit, I mean these guys have IBM XT computers running DOS still in some cases, if they move to XP then say 4, 6 or 8 years down the road will they be forced to upgrade the software when a hardware component (of a series of them) goes? Will Microsoft still man the phone for them to move their aging XP OS to a new computer then? Well that’s ultimately up to Microsoft isn’t it? – we are in effect just leasing XP since “ownership” will end when Microsoft stops manning the registration phone lines.

I credit Microsoft with the innovations of Windows and bringing down the overall cost of software for the consumer market. Not to mention the cost of ownership, training, and usability. High marks in general. But, in my opinion, the licensing model in place for XP puts a burden on Microsoft's customers. I'm tired of pulling out my hair when things don't work as they should. Now, with XP, it looks like in the rush to get a system back on-line, it will most likely require a call to Microsoft too. More aggravation, that's how I see XP licensing. It's a reason to avoid placing Microsoft products in a revenue critical path of a company.

If Microsoft is able to register 100% of the XP OS users out there with this ‘tethered to Microsoft’ licensing scheme, then the price of the OS should drop near the price of music CDs, and MS can still make company growth rates we have seen in the past. But we won’t see an OS price drop in return for our licensing hoop jumping inconvenience. Microsoft won't sell an OS for that little, not when there is really no other desktop OS alternative for the end users at this time.

Microsoft is pushing their .Net hard now since they know that a ‘PC’ in the future may well be just a generic OS Internet browser. Platform independent Java is a clear threat to Microsoft’s OS dominance. MS knows this and tried to take Java (standards body) away from Sun Microsystems but was caught with their hands in the cookie jar and a judge stopped them in their tracks. MS paid Sun a poultry couple of million bucks for the offense, then set out to confuse everyone by introducing a language that looks very much like Java but named C# to throw the courts off. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck it must be a C#.

If Microsoft played an honest game I wouldn’t have a gripe with them at all. But Microsoft isn't honest. Now Microsoft wants to put a license handcuff on us to make us 'honest'. How ironic.

161 posted on 02/25/2002 11:27:10 PM PST by disclaimer
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To: all_mighty_dollar
Both of your statements that ME is unstable/doesn't use memory > 128 meg are suspect...

The problems I ran into could well have been a motherboard issue since both computers were identical. ME was OEM'ed with the computers. It seemed that ME was Win2000's little orphan brother that didn't get the support attention NT going mainstream (windows 2000) did.

However, I am not the only one in my circles who had problems with ME to the point of swearing it off. I'm glad ME worked for you.

162 posted on 02/25/2002 11:33:37 PM PST by disclaimer
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To: innocentbystander
poultry = paltry
164 posted on 02/25/2002 11:45:30 PM PST by disclaimer
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To: innocentbystander
Read the EULA. You dont own Microsoft software, you licence it for your use. It's still theirs whether you like it or not. If you dont, get a Mac.

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You may have just convinced me. Maybe my next home computer will be a mac.
165 posted on 02/26/2002 12:08:07 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: innocentbystander
You are way wrong about C#, it is not Java, and if it were, it would suck in the same ways that Java does. You need to learn a lot more about .NET and the CLR before dissing C#.

I think the word 'suck' can't really make your point for you very well. C# was Microsoft’s Java. Then one day Microsoft yanked their Java, pulled it back to the shop floor and fitted for Microsoft's language suite, once MS got in trouble with Sun. If C# isn’t Java, why didn’t Microsoft just improve C++ instead of introducing a whole new language coincidently immediately after discontinuing Java? Yeah, I know, Microsoft can develop a complete language syntax overnight.

XP activation has been totally overblown on this site, I have yet to see anyone describe it accurately. People can either register, or they can expect it to cost a lot more in the future to cover all the pirated copies.

The pricing for Windows 3.1,95,98,ME,Win2000, must have included the pirating costs through the release of XP. Shouldn't XP be less expensive now that pirating is wiped out?

Read the EULA. You dont own Microsoft software, you license it for your use. It's still theirs whether you like it or not. If you don’t, get a Mac.

More like, get Linux and work toward making it compete with Microsoft products. If you worked for Microsoft and you are exhibiting their mindset, then you're turning me completely cold to Microsoft. Most family users just trust that they bought a box of software - they're not lawyers thoroughly reading the EULA I assure you.

166 posted on 02/26/2002 12:09:51 AM PST by disclaimer
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To: zog
Multi Processor kernel support is only available in Windows XP Pro. XP Pro is about 50% more expensive than XP Home edition. I don't think it will cost you more if you went from a 1 processor to 2 or 4 processor boards as long as you had XP Pro from the beginning.
167 posted on 02/26/2002 5:00:12 AM PST by Woodman
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To: Bush2000
Yeah, I get it.

What I don't get is why so many folks are willing to be treated like criminals, simply because criminals exist!

And pay dearly for the privilege!

168 posted on 02/26/2002 5:51:17 AM PST by T Wayne
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To: Woodman
--thanks for the answer, I honestly couldn't remember which was what on that. I first heard about that issue reading about intels xeon processor that is sorta kinda two processors in a virtual way but because of the hardware. It's a floorwax, no it's a dessert topping-stop it you boys,it's both! hahaha! Shows ya what my understanding of this is! HAHAHA! And the debate then with using xp on them.

I think it's kinda silly microsoft wanst you to pay 50% more for two or more processors on your machine, but that's what they did. hmmm. Thanks again.

169 posted on 02/26/2002 6:32:21 AM PST by zog
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To: zog
The 50% more is acually the price you pay for a workstation/server setup and abilities vs a home system. There are really quite a few differences beside multi processor support. I think MS was correct in assuming that the vast majority of home users are not going the adaptive server and multi processor route. XP is really the first time MS has mad its heavy weight professional operating system compatable with typical home use. You are actually getting quite a bargin at the XP Home edition price.
170 posted on 02/26/2002 7:33:17 AM PST by Woodman
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To: zog
If I spell checked and proofed here is what my reply would say...

The 50% more is actually the price you pay for a workstation/server setup and abilities vs. a home system. There are really quite a few differences beside multi processor support. I think MS was correct in assuming that the vast majority of home users are not going the adaptive server and multi processor route. XP is really the first time MS has made its heavy weight professional operating system compatible with typical home use. You are actually getting quite a bargain at the XP Home edition price.

171 posted on 02/26/2002 7:37:09 AM PST by Woodman
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To: innocentbystander
Hey dude. What's up? Nice to see ya!

Hey, IB! I took a week off and went to Miami to see my folks. Had a great time. Need to do that more often, y'know?
172 posted on 02/26/2002 7:59:53 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Woodman
-thankyou for the clarifications agqain. This has been an interesting thread so far. All I have for disks is a 95 and a 98se on the winderz side, they will have to do on that. I also have a few mac os's on cd and now two releases of redhat. I see advantages and disadvantages with all of them. If I could wave my technological magic wand, I would be able to pick and choose what I want and have a great os that would work for me exactly how I wanted it, but I also don't want to be forced into becoming a full bore programmer to be able to do that either. I just like computers in general, I really don't care one way or the other about the os's all the time, although I almost always just use macs, they just are easier to use for me personally. I like that there's competiton, it's good for the industry, want to see it continue.

As to spelung and ptyoz, I'm the last guy here to notice!

173 posted on 02/26/2002 8:00:42 AM PST by zog
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To: Sungirl
I don't even think you could get Windows98 anymore and you wouldn't want it anyway. It crashes too much.

I've been running Windows XP for two months now and it has yet to crash a single time. By far it is the best operating system I have ever used. And I go all the way back to DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1.

If you don't get XP, you will regret it later.

174 posted on 02/26/2002 8:03:36 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: T Wayne
What I don't get is why so many folks are willing to be treated like criminals, simply because criminals exist! And pay dearly for the privilege!

Have you ever tried to activate Windows XP? It took me about 3 seconds. That's it. Done. Finito. Hardly what I'd call being treated like a criminal. Like it or not, MS is faced with a daunting proposition: Unlike physical goods such as your 4x4, software can be duplicated rather easily -- and people do regularly. MS is losing sales for every pirated copy of the OS. Most consumers get their machines pre-activated when they arrive but, even if that weren't they case, I think that most understand that MS has a right and an obligation (copyrights are only valid if they're enforced) to protect its intellectual property. Remember: You don't own Windows. You license it.
175 posted on 02/26/2002 8:06:20 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: PatriotGames
Compared to what?
176 posted on 02/26/2002 8:09:53 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: disclaimer
Not on this thread - he didn’t say anything about his association with Microsoft. If he's going to go around promoting a company on this site, he ought to at least be honest about it and state that he works for the company and probably has a an equity position (stock) as well.

It isn't my obligation to put a disclaimer on every post that I make. We all have opinions and biases. I don't get paid to post here. I do it because I enjoy discussing technical issues. I have a particular interest in Windows-related threads because, frankly, MS has been unfairly attacked by not only a bunch of ignorant *nix bigots bent on reshaping the computing world but also by a government out of control. Somebody has to provide balance to your load of crap. That's me.
177 posted on 02/26/2002 8:10:39 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Gun142
I have an Apple IIc I'll sell ya. 9" green screen included.

Mmmmm, I don't think so, I was looking for an 8" screen. Sorry dude.

178 posted on 02/26/2002 8:10:41 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Gun142
I have an Apple IIc I'll sell ya. 9" green screen included.

Mmmmm, I don't think so, I was looking for an 8" screen. Sorry dude.

179 posted on 02/26/2002 8:11:09 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: LibWhacker
Now really, if your a gamer, you can still enjoy most (90%-95%) of your older Windows games. This link will help Windows 2000 Compatibility Updates

Also, most of the games I have, either will fine on 2K Pro, or I can find a patch by the companies that make these games on their websites.

I hope this helps you.

180 posted on 02/26/2002 8:15:18 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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