WHY LEGALIZE MARIJUANA?

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[AUgrad]

Don't give Dane a hard time. He's a terrible debater with no reasoning skills. Although he does make up for it by being stupid.

[eno_]

It shows cowardice...

It also shows a lie. If he had any law enforcement experience, he would know it is the kind of statement that unravels a series of lies. Either he has no idea about pot use, or he was an addictive personality that engaged in typical addictive personality behavior. There is very little daylight between those two possibilities.

Another evasion to mark we is that none of the Drug Warriors want to answer why cops have:

Twice the alchoholism rate of the general population (a ratio that would be worse if compared against similar education and income).

14-16 year(!!) shorter lifespan than the general population. This is third-world, ex-Soviet backwater levels of life expectency.

Suicide rates that are a large multiple of the general population (and probably underreported, which explains some of the life expectency numbers).

Divorce rates that approach 100%.

Juvenile crime problems with their kids (who are notorious F-ups, and get covered for, so the reported rates are an understatement).

You pretty much could not paint an uglier picture of social dissolution and disease. These are the wages of corruption. I think Drug Warriors should be treated like war criminals, but they are doing a damn good job on themselves.

[flada]

You can actually legally grow up to 1/5th acre of tobacco. It's actually rather easy to grow if you live in USDA zone 6 or better (you even have a pretty good chance of growing a decent crop in most of zone 5). It is far more difficult to cure it and turn it into a product that anyone would want to smoke or chew, however. It takes a pretty consistent humidity for as much as two years to cure it properly, although there are methods for more rapid curing which are more expensive to implement.

[68 grunt]

God made herb

God saw that it was good

God gave it to man

Genesis 1:11

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. (Whole Chapter: Genesis 1 In context: Genesis 1:10-12)

Genesis 1:12

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Whole Chapter: Genesis 1 In context: Genesis 1:11-13)

Genesis 1:29

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. (Whole Chapter: Genesis 1 In context: Genesis 1:28-30)

Right on! All this bs is nothing more than fertilizer. Legalize apples next?

[Dane]

Don't give Dane a hard time. He's a terrible debater with no reasoning skills. Although he does make up for it by being stupid.

LOL! IOW, Thom you are making a fool of yourself. I(AUgrad) have to put stick my nose into the conservation, even though I am a rugged individualist Libertarian, and violating the non-intitiation principle.

[Protagoras]

LOL! Still embarassed about the self portrait you posted about yourself in reply #195.

The portrait was of you and the other dopes who use the stuff. I know about your type and how they operate. But you are so embarassed about your drug dealing and drug using past that you don't have the courage to answer #195. So now that we have established your past, how about some details, like what you charged and what drugs you dealt? I'll bet ya sold a little blow to go with your grass and pills. C'mon Dane, give us the inside dope on how you operated.

[Dane]

The portrait was of you and the other dopes who use the stuff. I know about your type and how they operate. But you are so embarassed about your drug dealing and drug using past that you don't have the courage to answer #195

LOL! The more you post the more you reveal about yourself.

[HRC]

Why do you assume that "Pot commerce could be kept similarly low key". If it is already a billion dollar product and there can be multiple varieties on the market, I see no reason why it would have a low key market. Soon after legalization, you will have Marlabro Humbolt Skunk, Skunk 100's, Skunk Lights and Skunk Heavy Heavy.

[Protagoras]

Don't give Dane a hard time. He's a terrible debater with no reasoning skills. Although he does make up for it by being stupid.

" c'mon judge, give yourself some credit, you're a tremendous slouch".....Chevy Chase

LOL

[cransno]

Another evasion to mark we is that none of the Drug Warriors want to answer why cops have: [blah blah blah]

Just dropping in on this thread, everything you've listed is directly related to stress.

Are you saying that being a cop is not a stressful job?

I realize that this thread has left common sense way behind, but did you bother to think about this at all?

[eno_]

Have you considered that exposure to corruption would be a source of stress? That living a lie is a source of stress? That cops might live longer if honor was restored to their profession?

[Dane]

Just dropping in on this thread, everything you've listed is directly related to stress.

Are you saying that being a cop is not a stressful job?

I realize that this thread has left common sense way behind, but did you bother to think about this at all?

Well it seems that the Libertarians have changed their tune. It used to be stated by the Libertarian FR contingent that garbageman had a more difficult job than the cops.

[AUgrad]

Don't give me that Ipecac. You stick your nose in conversations when you are definitely not welcome all the time. Just consider yourself lucky that I will even take the time to participate in your discussions. Most here dismissed you as an incoherent raving lunatic long ago.

As far as the non-initiation principle, that's a platform of the LP of which I am not a member. Hell I'm from Alabama, sometimes we initiate force for amusement(case in point).

[Dakmar]

have to put stick my nose into the conservation?

[marsis]

You probably think I am some clandestine government drug dealer and you are going to harp on that so that you can keep your belief that drugs come from the goverment "alive".

Dane, I've know a few people who smoked in the 60's and early 70's who quit and became drug warriors. I have never really understood that. They did not become addicted, they did not go out and start fights like they did on alcohol. Perhaps they just decdided it not good for them and I fully support them in their beliefs. However, like reformed alcoholics and smokers, some become crusaders of the "truth". In conversations with them they admit that alcohol caused many more problems for them than smoking pot. Now the crux of the matter is why they insist on refusing the rights of other people.

I think of all the illicit drugs (and many legal ones) out there, pot IS the most benign. Sure, somebody somewhere had something bad happen under the influence of pot, statistics would also show how dangerous pretzel eating can be for some, how about mashed potatoes or jawbreakers, likewise. Sure, there are some mentally questionable people that probably shouldn't smoke pot, or drive a car, or drink or reproduce. You want to penalize everyone for those who cannot conduct themselves normally. You are constantly throwing platitudes out about pot use and you should know better. You smoked for a while and if you can admit it, there really wasn't much to it was there.

What these laws have done to our whole governmental system in this country is an abomination to life on planet earth. Murderers, rapists, armed robbers are being released from prison because of the drug war. 3/4 of a million people busted last year for pot, that engorges the justice system, fills the prisons, and corrupts absolutely, cops, judges, lawyers(if that is possible) and all manner of peoples. These laws are Draconian and have caused far more harm for our country than all the pot in the world. Come on Dane, you must have a vested interest in the laws remaining on the books, your arguments are old, tired and constantly being shot down. What gives with you?

[Dane]

Don't give me that Ipecac. You stick your nose in conversations when you are definitely not welcome all the time. Just consider yourself lucky that I will even take the time to participate in your discussions. Most here dismissed you as an incoherent raving lunatic long ago.

Uh I don't follow a non-intiation tenet, so what's your problem?

As far as the non-initiation principle, that's a platform of the LP of which I am not a member. Hell I'm from Alabama, sometimes we initiate force for amusement(case in point).

Well you are persona non-grata according to the Libertarians, IMO. Looks like you have a problem with them, not me.

[cransno]

Maybe some of us like the 'heightened' state of reality.

It shows.

What makes you think everyone is a 'deadhead' or is trying to escape reality?

Did you read your first sentence? Do you remember it?

I have a high-paying job in Aerospace, .... ....swabbin floors at the airport.

am raising two beautiful children,

Can the wife leave you alone with the kids at night? Do you think being stoned is the best way to watch your kids, or does your wife need to pick up the slack?

am debt free

The house still have it's tires on it?

....and own my own company

What's the name of it? Is it a real company, or did you just spring for the cards?

-- yet, I smoke every day. :)

We can tell.

It will be legalized eventually. And I will be one of the 'deadheads' ensuring it does.

No doubt about it. Keep up the fight, brother! Get out there front and center. Nothing will get drugs legalized faster than a burn-out spewing jibberish on TV.

The public opinion of dope heads has never been better, dude.

[eleni121]

It cannot be like alcohol and then gotten by prescription. You cannot have it both ways. Either you allow it to be sold on the open market by commercial firms - like alcohol -and tax the h#ll out of it - or you pharmacalize it and dispense by prescription. Or you continue to maintain its illegality with the resultant social and criminal costs.

I will not support marijuana being dispensed by doctors and pharmacists only. You know as well as anyone that marijuana is mainly a social stimulant not a medicinal herb. You will still have potheads who want to smoke it to get high and thus contribute to the ravages that alcohol creates. So...what do we do with pot? Keep it illegal and relatively hard to get. I can live with the social costs because the cost of legalization are so much greater!

[philman_36]

Can't wait to see if that guy, or his alter ego, show up on this thread.
Oh you've got my curiosity up now. Who is "that guy"?

[Hemingway's Ghost]

The public opinion of dope heads has never been better, dude.

Public opinion of you, however, is starting to look like the Boston Red Sox in September. Do you honestly think your kindergarten-level response to his post did anything to bolster your side?