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1 posted on 02/20/2002 3:37:22 AM PST by TroutStalker
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To: Free Vulcan; ken5050; Wyatt's Torch
Uh Oh !
2 posted on 02/20/2002 3:58:46 AM PST by Dukie
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To: Roger_W_Isom; Dog; Liz
Bump.
7 posted on 02/20/2002 4:19:01 AM PST by TroutStalker
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To: TroutStalker
Folks,

Generally speaking this is good news.

When the waves close over the Titanic known as the Imperial Feral Government the human race will have learned a valuable lesson about hubris and government.

We will have smaller government no matter what the liberals want.

Best regards,

9 posted on 02/20/2002 4:29:29 AM PST by Copernicus
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To: TroutStalker
bump
13 posted on 02/20/2002 4:49:29 AM PST by Tauzero
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To: TroutStalker
The government and Congress was warned of this more than five years ago. I believe it was Citizens Against Government Waste that warned them and they did not heed.Our good old efficient government!The Clinton Administration,Ron Brown, Ciscernos and the gang!
18 posted on 02/20/2002 5:12:47 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: TroutStalker
This is couched as an Enron related story which may tend to obfuscate the real message. Enron made unhedged, unlimited, full risk bets on the wrong side of the market--end of story. If Enron had not done that, they would still be sitting in Houston. Maybe top management did not understand the true impact of their bets on the financial condition of the company and that contributed to the problem. But Enron is a relatively limited business story.

This story is not a relatively limited business story. Further, it is a depiction of only a part of the story--the two FM's are a significant part of the mortgage lending market, and the financial hedge market. But the two entities combined are a smaller fraction of the total credit money creation engine. And the two FM's are directly dependent on the remainder of that financial market--credit problems elsewhere could well cause liqudation of a large part of the FM's capital as well as eliminate the credit on the other side of many of their derivative transactions.

The word "insurance" here ought to be stricken--these transactions are insurance only in the sense that they are offsetting bets about financial futures. The term "insurance" under circumstances where the risk is a $350,000 fire and the entity that promises to rebuild the house has three quarters of a billion dollars of assets is a fair description of the relationship because one or ten or fifty simultaneous fires are extremely unlikely and the cost of the fix is quite manageable in terms of the total assets available.

Here, we cannot really quantify the magnitude of the financial obligations that support FM's position that rising interest rates are not a risk nor can we make any assessment of how great the risk is that the other party to the transaction will be unable to perform if the risk hits. Under circumstances where a failure to perform (hypothetically) by JP Morgan on a totally unrealated derivative obligation could bring down the other side of the hedge transaction to which FM looks to support its rate avoidence risk, the entire system is subject to the risk of being brought down by one or two financial events.

Everyone here ought to look up PrudentBear.Com. This week through Friday, there is an article by Doug Noland under "Credit Bubble Bulletin" which is an effort at a college freshman level explanation of the problem. The article is long; the examples tedious; and understanding is difficult unless you have enough basic accounting skills to create T-accounts to follow his analysis. However the article is a basic tool in understanding the magnitude of the problem.

26 posted on 02/20/2002 5:55:19 AM PST by David
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This is not good. Housing provides a huge chunk of the employment picture, from the actual construction workers to the guys at Home Depot, Walmart, and the restaurants that feed these guys at lunch.

Foreclosures are on the rise by a substantial amount. I'm seeing it in the lower end of the market right now, mainly in first time homebuyer type housing where it takes two incomes to pay the mortgage and one or both have gotten laid off from work.

I've never been through a market collapse like Houston of the 80's and I wonder what it will take for this foreclosure rate to filter on up into the higher income brackets.

An Enron type failure of Freddie and Fannie would be very, very bad for all involved in the Mortage/Real Estate/Building industries.

33 posted on 02/20/2002 6:25:24 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: TroutStalker
Will JP Morgan do an Enron?
39 posted on 02/20/2002 6:46:19 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: TroutStalker
Good post, right on target. Anybody remember the S&L scandal? These outfits have already lowered their property appraisal standards by converting to automated valuation models (AVM's), which means that live human being have NOT been inside their collateral or stretched a tape measure around the house. Does it stink, probably!!! The other place to go look is in the area of compensation for the senior staff members at these institutions. Anyone for pork?
42 posted on 02/20/2002 6:57:15 AM PST by pointsal
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To: TroutStalker
Good post. Thanks. I see Freddie Mac is down 3% so far this morning on the news.
43 posted on 02/20/2002 7:06:42 AM PST by rohry
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To: It'salmosttolate; GEC
Bump for your reading
46 posted on 02/20/2002 7:54:04 AM PST by Dukie
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To: Alamo-Girl
Ping for the next Enron. Wonder how x42 policies encouraged this irresponsible behavior by Federally chartered (and underwritten) companies.
55 posted on 02/20/2002 11:21:14 AM PST by anymouse
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To: TroutStalker
hey I just refinanced through Fannie Mae,what does that mean to me if anything?
57 posted on 02/20/2002 11:59:37 AM PST by linn37
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