[FormerLib]

We don't know who is going to hell or not (who is predestined or not) until the end of time...so I would not be encouraging folks to sin if I were you.

Why not? If you're a member of the elect, it doesn't matter what you do. If you aren't, you might as well get as much pleasure as you want in this world since there won't be any for you in the next one and God doesn't want you regardless of what you do.

See, this just doesn't make any sense at all. You keep your faith and I'll keep seeking God.

[Senator Pardek]

Why not? If you're a member of the elect, it doesn't matter what you do.

You're wasting your time. If I had a nickel for every time that question went unanswered on this board, I'd have about six dollars.

[rdb3]

If you're a member of the elect, it doesn't matter what you do.

That's it! Proof positive that you have not studied to show yourself approved.

Scripturally, where do you get this? Not your opinion, mind you, but scripturally back this up.

[rwfromkansas]

As the NT says, there are "none that seeketh after God." It is only God's grace that has saved you....and that alone.

[rwfromkansas]

Again, God has chosen certain people from the foundation of the world. HOWEVER....THEY ARE NOT SAVED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, JUST MARKED FOR FUTURE SALVATION. The Holy Spirit's conversion of the elect is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL! It is an integral and vital part of God's plan for salvation and it falls apart without the Gospel being preached to actually save the people who were chosen. You see, it DOES matter what the elect do. For one thing, if we live in sin instead of growing in holiness until the end of our lives it is CLEAR evidence that the Holy Spirit, which brings us a new nature, DID NOT come to us. Therefore, it is quite clear that we would be deluded if we thought we were elect in such a case. And quite frankly, if any of the "elect" decided that glorifying God with his life was not worth the effort, I frankly doubt he is elect in the first place. It does matter what the elect do due to the Holy Spirit.