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To: medved
"Because evolution is an ideological doctrine, similar to a religion."
Sorry, but evolution is based on science, not ideological doctrine.
"comparable intelectual level to evolution, and the only two feasible candidates are rastifari and voodoo."
Cute...really intectual rebuttal...(just what I would expect from someone who uses the nick medved. Does he know you are impersonating him here? Or is it some sort of flattery? Nevermind that..)
Can you tell me honestly that creationism has more evidence on it's side than either rastifari and voodoo? And I am talking about hard evidence....not just the word of the Bible.
Through all the discussion here, I have yet to see on hard scientific shred of evidence for creationism that does not go back to the Bible. I am all for anyone believing what they wish, but if you want to have it put out as a scientific theory, please have a little science in it.
Oldcats
1,416 posted on 03/05/2002 6:53:53 AM PST by oldcats
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To: oldcats
I think of evolution as an "ISID", or Infinitely Stupid Ideological Doctrine. Once you begin to realize that evolving ANY complex creature involves a probability which is basically a tenth or twentieth order infinitessimal, i.e. that it's basically impossible, and then you realize that that evolution requires beating these odds not just once, but an endless series of times, i.e. once for every kind of complex creature which has ever walked, swam, flown, crawled, or slithered upon the face of the Earth, you begin to realize the problem.

In other words, a reasonable person might at least listen to a theory which requires one or two probabalistic miracles in the entire history of the Earth, but an endless series of them? That basically just stands everything we know about mathematics and probability on its head.

Now, creationism, you can take or leave. I'd be perfectly happy with having both religion and evolutionism banned from our science courses, or at least not ever taught at public expense. Religion does not need public money. Christianity has been barred from our schools for the last thirty years and is still thriving. Could the same be said for evolutionism some thirty years hence? That would make an interesting experiment.

On the other hand, if you want to insist that evolution be taught in public schools at public expense, then you really need to teach Rastifari alongside it. In fact, Rastifari would fit well into team-teaching systems; in other words, a teacher wondering how to put 30 teenagers into the proper frame of mind to be indoctrinated into something as dog-stupid as evolution, could walk across the hall to the rasta class for a box of spliffs...

1,417 posted on 03/05/2002 7:21:07 AM PST by medved
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To: oldcats
medved is not a creationist. He believes that the Earth orbitted a proto-Saturn where the asteroid belt is now. Sometime in the last 10,000 to 20,000 years proto-Saturn broke up, flung Earth into its present orbit and skittered several astronomical units out to its present orbit.

medved bases this "theory" on his own interpretations of primitive myths and his belief, contrary to all attempts to show him its folly, that dinosaurs could not stand up in a 1G field and therefore Saturn must have been tugging on Earth to reduce its gravity to one-sixth of a G.

It has been pointed out to him on this forum and on numerous other forums and websites that the planetary configuration of the Earth and proto-Saturn would be very unlikely to form in the first place; that the gravitational tug required to reduce Earth gravity by five-sixth would of necessity create humongous tidal stresses on Earth; that engineers and biologists have shown that dinosaurs could, indeed, walk around quite comfortably in 1G; that the energy required to break up proto-Saturn and move Earth would be literally astronomical as would the energy required to even out the resulting orbits to the tiny bit of eccentricity they now enjoy; that the angular momentum of the Solar System would be changed by such a move; etc.

However, these points have increased his paranoia that there is a conspiracy by Satan-worshipping atheistic scientists (literally tens of thousands of folks in on this conspiracy, mind you) to lead humanity down the road to perdition in an effort to teach evil-ution. He has never addressed the criticisms of his "theory," and he has never given any up-to-date scientific evidence why evolution is wrong. He simply calls evolutionists, and anybody else who disagrees with him "idiots" and posts decades-old out-of-context quotes to bolster his ego and earn browny points with the "evolution is the devil's tool" crowd.

And, oh yeah, his best friend is bat named Splifford.

1,418 posted on 03/05/2002 8:13:53 AM PST by Junior
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