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To: oldcats
medved is not a creationist. He believes that the Earth orbitted a proto-Saturn where the asteroid belt is now. Sometime in the last 10,000 to 20,000 years proto-Saturn broke up, flung Earth into its present orbit and skittered several astronomical units out to its present orbit.

medved bases this "theory" on his own interpretations of primitive myths and his belief, contrary to all attempts to show him its folly, that dinosaurs could not stand up in a 1G field and therefore Saturn must have been tugging on Earth to reduce its gravity to one-sixth of a G.

It has been pointed out to him on this forum and on numerous other forums and websites that the planetary configuration of the Earth and proto-Saturn would be very unlikely to form in the first place; that the gravitational tug required to reduce Earth gravity by five-sixth would of necessity create humongous tidal stresses on Earth; that engineers and biologists have shown that dinosaurs could, indeed, walk around quite comfortably in 1G; that the energy required to break up proto-Saturn and move Earth would be literally astronomical as would the energy required to even out the resulting orbits to the tiny bit of eccentricity they now enjoy; that the angular momentum of the Solar System would be changed by such a move; etc.

However, these points have increased his paranoia that there is a conspiracy by Satan-worshipping atheistic scientists (literally tens of thousands of folks in on this conspiracy, mind you) to lead humanity down the road to perdition in an effort to teach evil-ution. He has never addressed the criticisms of his "theory," and he has never given any up-to-date scientific evidence why evolution is wrong. He simply calls evolutionists, and anybody else who disagrees with him "idiots" and posts decades-old out-of-context quotes to bolster his ego and earn browny points with the "evolution is the devil's tool" crowd.

And, oh yeah, his best friend is bat named Splifford.

1,418 posted on 03/05/2002 8:13:53 AM PST by Junior
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To: Junior, gore3000

A Portrait of "Junior"
(in his own words)

"We've got a whole lot of these folks on this forum..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#4

"Knowing gore3000, he'll take a look at your link and claim that evolutionists say coyotes are descended from whales. Do not underestimate the power of willful ignorance..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#68

You didn't even read the freakin' article, you dolt, or you wouldn't have made  the inane comment about whales evolving from coyotes, or vice versa. Do you  ever read any of the stuff we give you, or do you glance at the pretty  pictures, decide that nothing's going to change your mind and then post  inanities on these threads?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#143

My theory has always been he's nothing more than a rather primitive computer  algorythm.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#152

You are the only person I've met who suffered from Tourette's Syndrome of the  keyboard.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#384

Face it, gore3000, your brain (or programming) has been trained to force a  cognitive disassociation between the pariticulars of evidence and the sum total  of evidence. You can't see the forest for the trees. You'll pick at individual  pieces of evidence given you, but fail to understand the overall picture  painted by the evidence coming in from dozens of scientific disciplines. And,  you show an inherent inability to actually learn anything
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#632

 except by creationists who cannot see the forest for the trees and refuse to  accept any evidence unless in the form of a living, breathing critter (and then  they'd probably claim it was ginned up by geneticists in some secret laboratory  to mislead good, God-fearing Christians in an effort to damn their souls to  Hell).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#750

Gee, you get caught quote-mining red handed, and attempt to weedle out of it by  bantering semantics. You haven't read any real science since that nice old guy  down the street introduced you to Saturnism... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#978

Dear, dear, deluded g3k.... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1073

 What must God think of you that you are reduced to bantering semantics,  twisting words, willful ignorance, and outright lies to support Biblical  creation?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1080

I never said that, you liar and twister of words. The serpent in the Garden of  Eden could take tips from you.... Remember, God said, "Thou shall not bear false witness" (which means lying). Of  course, you probably think lying for God makes you a saint, don't you?  
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1082

Ahem, Mr. "I've got to lie for God,"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1088

I'm wondering if my asking gore3000 how he believed God felt about his lying for  Him is what caused him to clam up. Medved, you claim God hates idiots, but not  one of the commandments states "Thou shalt not be stupid." However, there is a  "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Now that you know that your quotes are, at  best, disengenuous, shouldn't you attempt to distance yourself from them, or is  it okay to lie as long as it's "for the children?" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1209

That is why PatrickHenry keeps publishing the list - so that y'all do not keep  spouting the same, discredited drivel. http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a68abe52d91.htm#147

I merely said that's what the Indians claim. And shortsighted politicians are  more than willing to bend over and grab their ankles for these folks.
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a68abe52d91.htm#191

Ah... the "Static Cling Theory" of life, the universe and everything. Came to  you one day while cleaning out the dryer lint trap, did it?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/636491/posts?q=1&&page=101#140

I figured it had to be you. Can't keep a tinfoil hatter down.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/634527/posts?q=1&&page=51#55

Your beliefs can't be proven scientifically so they must be forced on the populace through deception and the courtroom. Nice. In a few centuries America will have come to resemble the Islamic world in its backwardness and you can sit back in that special Hell God reserves for people who lie in His name, and gloat at your handiwork.  
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/634066/posts?q=1&&page=151#164

Proof positive you have absolutely no clue about that which you speak.  Your  creationist brethren have given up this argument as factually incorrect, but  you persist in your ignorance as if it were some sort of talisman keeping the  real world at bay.
The Sun does not "reverse" entropy, you muggle....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=201#203

BTW, a mutation is simply a change in the genome. It happens all the time --  usually during the creation of the sex cells from transcription errors (there  is a word for this, but I cannot remember it for the life of me). Sometimes it  is caused by an external influence -- a stray particle of radiation might knock  part of a gene out of kilter (the biggest source of such radiation, BTW, is the  Sun), or environmental chemicals might play merry hell with one's genetic  coding. It's quite common and happens all the time -- which you would know if  you actually read something other than the Bible once in a while.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=301#346

 Oh, I forgot, the scientific community is conspiring to keep you silent, so  just sit in your basement and brood...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=351#356

A case could be made that you should alter your drinking...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=351#372

You are more incoherent than usual. Have they upped the dosage on your meds?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=551#556

Are you being dense, or what? A descendent species can coexist with its parent species. There is nothing precluding Homo Erectus, Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Sapien from occupying the planet at the same time. The fact that you cannot see this obvious situation indicates a lack of thought on your part.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts?q=1&&page=1370#1367

gore3000: God did it. I have special dispensation to lie for God. Besides, I'll ignore all your evidence so that I can complain you never give me any.
medved: God came from Saturn.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts?q=1&&page=1408

1,419 posted on 03/05/2002 9:16:11 AM PST by medved
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To: Junior
I'm flattered. You must be a serious Junior groupie. I've never had anyone follow my every word as if it were the very word of his master. Of course, you should have included the posts to which I was replying to really give it that contextual "oomph."

If you'd like, I'll send you an autograph.

1,420 posted on 03/05/2002 9:52:48 AM PST by Junior
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