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To: VadeRetro
In post 1304 I noted that you have left a mess on your plate:

Please source the following claims which you have made recently:

1) There is a gap in hominid species after 4mya.
2) Hippos have been eliminated by DNA evidence as a nearest-relative of cetaceans.
3) Gould actually meant to say that creationists quote him correctly.
4) Evolutionists believe that humans descended from one of the modern primate species (all those apes and monkeys are really the same thing anyway) and simultaneously have known for thirty years that this is false.

You have attempted to attack my characterization of some of these, but only with sound and fury signifying nothing. Post 1311 explains my understanding of your posts.

You have ignored hippo-whale DNA. If you aren't going to defend it, you should admit you made a mistake. This would lend credibility to your claims that you are attempting to have an intelligent discussion and are not some self-imaged foaming-at-the-mouth berserker Holy Warrior who can make no concessions, not even the most obvious, to the dreaded Enemy. You've been hiding from facing your error for hundreds of posts, now. You're a coward.

When I showed that Gould accuses creationists (you and medved, e.g.) of distorting his views beyond all recognition, you accused me of distorting Gould's views. That means that you should be able to go to Gould's article and show where he really meant to say other than what my quotes would indicate. You can't do this and it's time to admit it.

You seek to disown my honest understanding of your claims vis-a-vis the evolutionary ancestry of Homo sapiens. That is, you now say you didn't allege a gap where the ancestor species needs to be. That looks hopelessly wrong. You have your work cut out.

You have also failed to defend your reliance upon the "even evolutionists have shown that man did not come from monkeys" as a catch-all mantra against overwhelming evidence. I have explained at many junctures that 1) apes are not monkeys, 2) evolutionists indeed know modern man did not come from modern monkeys or even any given particular extant ape species but we did diverge from the chimpanzee branch of the tree maybe 5 mya.

In other words, you're 0 for 4 on cleaning up your mess.

1,363 posted on 03/03/2002 7:31:07 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
If I seem to condemn myself utterly in post 1363, it's because I intended it for you.

When I make a mistake, I admit it.

1,364 posted on 03/03/2002 7:32:14 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
How many times do I have to post this Vade? Gould is a whore. The quote in post#99 accurately represents his views. He developed punk-eek due to it. Your post of his later statement shows quite well how much of a whore he is. He threw a bone to his fellow evos by partially discrediting his previous statement so that he could stay in good terms with his fellow whores of evolution. However his quote on post#99 and his punk-eek theory BOTH DENY Darwinian gradualism and that the fossil record supports gradual evolution of the species.
1,377 posted on 03/03/2002 7:15:47 PM PST by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
You have also failed to defend your reliance upon the "even evolutionists have shown that man did not come from monkeys"

As usual when your back is against the wall you start denying what even evolutionists have been admitting to for decades (and what you have accepted as a true statement throughtout this thread) - that man did not descend from any of the monkey species - chimps, orangs or whatever. For decades they have been stating that man and monkey "branched out" more than 5 million years ago.

1,380 posted on 03/03/2002 7:45:12 PM PST by gore3000
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