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Evolution debate: State board should reject pseudoscience
Columbus Dispatch ^ | February 17, 2002 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2002 4:59:53 AM PST by cracker

The Dispatch tries to verify the identity of those who submit letters to the editor, but this message presented some problems. It arrived on a postcard with no return address:

Dear Representative Linda Reidelbach: Evolution is one of my creations with which I am most pleased.

It was signed, God.

The Dispatch cannot confirm that this is a divine communication, but the newspaper does endorse the sentiment it expresses: that there is room in the world for science and religion, and the two need not be at war.

The newspaper also agrees that Reidelbach, a Republican state representative from Columbus, is among the lawmakers most in need of this revelation. She is the sponsor of House Bill 481, which says that when public schools teach evolution, they also must teach competing "theories'' about the origin of life.

Reidelbach says the bill would "encourage the presentation of scientific evidence regarding the origins of life and its diversity objectively and without religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

What this appears to mean is that any idea about the origin of life would be designated, incorrectly, a scientific theory and would get equal time with the genuine scientific theory known as evolution.

Those who correctly object that the creation stories of various religions are not scientific would be guilty, in the language of this bill, "of religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

Never mind that science is not a bias or an assumption but simply a rigorous and logical method for describing and explaining what is observed in nature.

What Reidelbach and her co-sponsors are attempting to do is to require that science classes also teach creationism, intelligent design and related unscientific notions about the origin of life that are derived from Christian belief.

So bent are they on getting Christianity's foot in the door of science classrooms that they apparently don't mind that this bill also appears to give the green light to the creation stories of competing religions, cults and any other manifestation of belief or unbelief. Apparently, even Satanists would have their say.

But the real problem is that Reidelbach's bill would undermine science education at the very moment when Ohio should be developing a scientifically literate generation of students who can help the state succeed in 21st-century technologies and compete economically around the globe.

The fact is that religious ideas, no matter how much they are dressed up in the language of science, are not science. And subjecting students to religious ideas in a science class simply would muddle their understanding of the scientific method and waste valuable time that ought to be used to learn genuine science.

The scientific method consists of observing the natural world and drawing conclusions about the causes of what is observed. These conclusions, or theories, are subject to testing and revision as additional facts are discovered that either bolster or undermine the conclusions and theories. Scientific truth, such as it is, is constantly evolving as new theories replace or modify old ones in the light of new facts.

Religious notions of creation work in the opposite fashion. They begin with a preconceived belief -- for example, that God created all the creatures on the Earth -- and then pick and choose among the observable facts in the natural world to find those that fit. Those that don't are ignored.

The scientific approach expands knowledge about the natural world; the religious approach impedes it.

The classic example of this occurred 369 years ago when the Catholic Church forced Galileo to recant the Copernican theory that the Earth revolves around the sun. That theory contradicted the religiously based idea that man and the Earth formed the center of God's creation. Had the church's creationist view of the solar system prevailed, Ohioan Neil Armstrong never would have set foot on the moon.

Today, Copernican theory is established and acknowledged fact.

When it comes to evolution, much confusion grows out of the understanding -- or misunderstanding -- of the words theory and fact. Evolution is a theory, but one that has become so thoroughly buttressed by physical evidence that, for all intents and purposes, it is a fact. No one outside of the willfully obstinate questions the idea that new life forms evolved from older ones, a process conclusively illustrated in biology and the fossil record.

Where disagreement still exists is over how the process of evolution occurs. Scientists argue about the mechanism by which change occurs and whether the process is gradual and constant or proceeds in fits in starts. But while they debate over how evolution occurs, they do not doubt that it does occur.

Another way to understand this is to consider gravity. Everyone accepts the existence of this force, but many questions remain about just what gravity is and how it works. That scientists argue about how gravity works doesn't change the fact that gravity exists. Or, as author Stephen Jay Gould has put it, "Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome.''

Just as with gravity, evolution is a fact.

Those who persist on questioning this fact are a tiny minority, even among people of faith. But they are a loud minority and, to those not well-grounded in science, their arguments can sound reasonable, even "scientific.'' But their arguments are little more than unfounded assertions dressed up in the language of science.

This minority also insists on creating conflict between religion and science where none needs to exist. Major faiths long since have reconciled themselves to a division of labor with science. Religion looks to humankind's spiritual and moral needs, while science attends to the material ones.

The Catholic Church, which once tried to hold back the progress of science, now admits that it was wrong to suppress Galileo. More than a billion Catholics draw sustenance from their faith untroubled by the knowledge that the planet is racing around the sun.

Religion, in turn, provides spiritual and moral guideposts to decide how best to use the awesome powers that science has unlocked and placed at humankind's disposal.

Nor are scientists themselves antagonistic to religion. Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientific geniuses in history, was deeply reverent: "My comprehension of God comes from the deeply felt conviction of a superior intelligence that reveals itself in the knowable world,'' he once said.

Others have made similar observations. The more the scientific method reveals about the intricacies of the universe, the more awestruck many scientists become.

The simplest way to reconcile religion and evolution is to accept the view propounded early last century by prominent Congregationalist minister and editor Lyman Abbott, who regarded evolution as the means God uses to create and shape life.

This view eliminates conflict between evolution and religion. It allows scientists to investigate evolution as a natural process and lets people of faith give God the credit for setting that process in motion.

As for what to do about creationism and evolution in schools, the answer is easy. Evolution should be taught in science classes. Creationism and related religiously based ideas should be taught in comparative-religion, civics and history classes.

Religion was and remains central to the American identity. It has profoundly shaped American ideals and provided the basis for its highest aspirations, from the Declaration of Independence to the civil-rights movement. There is no question that religion is a vital force and a vital area of knowledge that must be included in any complete education.

But not in the science classroom, because religion is not science. There is no such thing as Buddhist chemistry, Jewish physics or Christian mathematics.

The Earth revolves around the sun regardless of the faiths of the people whom gravity carries along for the ride. Two plus two equals four whether that sum is calculated by a Muslim or a Zoroastrian.

Reidelbach and her supporters genuinely worry that a crucial element -- moral education and appreciation of religion's role in America -- is missing in education. But they will not correct that lack by injecting pseudoscience into Ohio's science curriculum.

And Reidelbach is not the only one making this mistake. Senate Bill 222, sponsored by state Sen. Jim Jordan, R-Urbana, is equally misguided. This bill would require that science standards adopted by the State Board of Education be approved by resolution in the General Assembly. This is a recipe for disaster, injecting not only religion, but also politics, into Ohio's science classes.

These two bills should be ignored by lawmakers.

In a few months, when the State Board of Education lays out the standards for science education in Ohio's public schools, it should strongly endorse the teaching of evolution and ignore the demands of those who purvey pseudoscience.


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To: AndrewC
And life would have had to been created prior to the bombardment and survived a total resurfacing of the planet, which I believe involves hot molten stuff, in order for this to be relevant.

Only the soup, really, if I understand the article correctly. And that's getting enriched from space. (OK, there's more stony asteroid stuff and less slushy comet-stuff than we thought.)

Life could even have started during the "bad" times near those warm vents created by all that crustal cracking.

1,221 posted on 03/01/2002 10:54:56 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
And life would have had to been created prior to the bombardment and survived a total resurfacing of the planet,

Deep sea crevices or other protected places could harbor early biomolecules through such an asteroid storm.

1,222 posted on 03/01/2002 11:02:36 AM PST by Nebullis
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To: medved
So basically, your whole argument is that it's all right to lie for God as long as you consider the people you are lying to to be idiots? The whole "not bearing false witnsess" thing does not apply to you, does it? Especially when you're doing it for God. I bet you did really well in those ethics courses in college (you did go to college, right?).
1,223 posted on 03/01/2002 11:11:40 AM PST by Junior
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To: AndrewC
And life would have had to been created prior to the bombardment and survived a total resurfacing of the planet, which I believe involves hot molten stuff, in order for this to be relevant. That may have happened, but I don't believe it.

The bombardment evidently took place over several tens of millions of years and wasn't some great constant cosmic rain. It's quite conceivable that life could have arisen during this period and not suffered too terribly in its early years.

1,224 posted on 03/01/2002 11:14:38 AM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
What does it feel like to be an idiot, "Junior"?
1,225 posted on 03/01/2002 11:21:47 AM PST by medved
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To: medved
Seems to me that I'm the one who ran the numbers on your Saturnian "theory" and showed the difficulties in said "theory." You simply took whatever Splifford told you at face value and never questioned any of it. Now, who is the idiot? I know, I know. You'll keep ranting that I'm the idiot, even though I make an effort to back up everything I say, even though I studiously document the points I make, whereas all you do is post the same outdated drivel and claim that God hates idiots (God loves idiots -- he makes so many of them!). You really haven't got a dog in this hunt, and it rankles you to no end, so you're forced to calling those who see through your delusional fantasy "idiots."
1,226 posted on 03/01/2002 11:35:53 AM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
You say it hurts a lot? Have you tried wolfing the whole bottle of aspirin at one time instead of taking one or two??
1,227 posted on 03/01/2002 11:43:30 AM PST by medved
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To: VadeRetro
Only the soup, really, if I understand the article correctly.

Yes, the soup is the question here. The problems with the oceanic vents involve the chemistry involved in manufacturing the needed compounds and the quick dilution of any reaction products.

1,228 posted on 03/01/2002 11:48:19 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: Junior
I think he meant to ask what it would be like to be an idiot junior instead of his current status as an idiot maximus.
1,229 posted on 03/01/2002 11:49:44 AM PST by Iota
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To: medved
What does it feel like to be an idiot, "Junior"?

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for an answer to my 1200.

1,230 posted on 03/01/2002 11:52:07 AM PST by cracker
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To: cracker
Lurking ...
1,231 posted on 03/01/2002 11:55:21 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Junior
It's quite conceivable that life could have arisen during this period and not suffered too terribly in its early years.

These results point towards a diameter of [~]170[+-]25 km for the transient crater and a depth of 45 to 60 km. Pope et al. [1993] proposed that the formation of the Yucatan Cenote ring, a ring of sink holes important for Yucatan water ressources, may be linked to the Chicxulub structure by slumping at the crater rim or solution collapse within impact deposits. Chicxulub is certainly one of the largest impact structure on Earth and if the 300 km size estimate is proven correct, perhaps one of the largest produced in the inner solar system in the last 4 billion years.

From Nebullis' link

On Earth, at least 22,000 impact craters with diameters greater than 20 kilometers were produced, including about 40 impact basins with diameters of about 1,000 kilometers in diameter. Several impact craters of about 5,000 kilometers were created as well -- each one exceeding the dimensions of Australia, Europe, Antarctica or South America.

I think the odds would be pretty slim for anything to survive.

1,232 posted on 03/01/2002 11:55:25 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
The problems with the oceanic vents involve the chemistry involved in manufacturing the needed compounds and the quick dilution of any reaction products.

It seems to me that the deep sea vents are a solution toward the dilution problem.

1,233 posted on 03/01/2002 11:56:26 AM PST by Nebullis
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To: Iota
Oops. Apparently I overestimated him.
1,234 posted on 03/01/2002 11:57:17 AM PST by Iota
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To: VadeRetro
And that's getting enriched from space.

Why do you need space? Occam's razor eliminates the necessity, products are formed in the soup. Or is it that the razor is used in the wrong direction? How big is "space"?

1,235 posted on 03/01/2002 12:01:43 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Nebullis
It seems to me that the deep sea vents are a solution toward the dilution problem.

All of the video I've seen of the vents involve quite a bit of thermal mixing.

1,236 posted on 03/01/2002 12:04:21 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
There really is a lot of evidence that the precursor stuff of life formed in the trackless wastes between the stars. Whether or not this had any bearing on the formation of life on Earth is a matter of contention.
1,237 posted on 03/01/2002 12:04:26 PM PST by Junior
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To: AndrewC
I have no idea if I "need" space, but I think it's interesting that you can get simple carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen compounds to do all kinds of goofy chaotic reactions in an abiotic environment.

The stuff is in space. The stuff from space falls to earth.

1,238 posted on 03/01/2002 12:28:05 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I have no idea if I "need" space, but I think it's interesting that you can get simple carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen compounds to do all kinds of goofy chaotic reactions in an abiotic environment. The stuff is in space. The stuff from space falls to earth.

Wouldn't it burn up in the atmosphere? I mean, could self-replicating compounds make it to the surface unaffected and become established in a favorable environment? Or would enough organic detritus fall to create a soup allowing the self-replicators to develop here ...

1,239 posted on 03/01/2002 12:42:02 PM PST by cracker
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To: cracker
Nothing self-replicating, just slushball stock for the soup. Let me hunt up my copy of Schopf's Cradle of Life.
1,240 posted on 03/01/2002 12:44:39 PM PST by VadeRetro
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