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Evolution debate: State board should reject pseudoscience
Columbus Dispatch ^ | February 17, 2002 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2002 4:59:53 AM PST by cracker

The Dispatch tries to verify the identity of those who submit letters to the editor, but this message presented some problems. It arrived on a postcard with no return address:

Dear Representative Linda Reidelbach: Evolution is one of my creations with which I am most pleased.

It was signed, God.

The Dispatch cannot confirm that this is a divine communication, but the newspaper does endorse the sentiment it expresses: that there is room in the world for science and religion, and the two need not be at war.

The newspaper also agrees that Reidelbach, a Republican state representative from Columbus, is among the lawmakers most in need of this revelation. She is the sponsor of House Bill 481, which says that when public schools teach evolution, they also must teach competing "theories'' about the origin of life.

Reidelbach says the bill would "encourage the presentation of scientific evidence regarding the origins of life and its diversity objectively and without religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

What this appears to mean is that any idea about the origin of life would be designated, incorrectly, a scientific theory and would get equal time with the genuine scientific theory known as evolution.

Those who correctly object that the creation stories of various religions are not scientific would be guilty, in the language of this bill, "of religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

Never mind that science is not a bias or an assumption but simply a rigorous and logical method for describing and explaining what is observed in nature.

What Reidelbach and her co-sponsors are attempting to do is to require that science classes also teach creationism, intelligent design and related unscientific notions about the origin of life that are derived from Christian belief.

So bent are they on getting Christianity's foot in the door of science classrooms that they apparently don't mind that this bill also appears to give the green light to the creation stories of competing religions, cults and any other manifestation of belief or unbelief. Apparently, even Satanists would have their say.

But the real problem is that Reidelbach's bill would undermine science education at the very moment when Ohio should be developing a scientifically literate generation of students who can help the state succeed in 21st-century technologies and compete economically around the globe.

The fact is that religious ideas, no matter how much they are dressed up in the language of science, are not science. And subjecting students to religious ideas in a science class simply would muddle their understanding of the scientific method and waste valuable time that ought to be used to learn genuine science.

The scientific method consists of observing the natural world and drawing conclusions about the causes of what is observed. These conclusions, or theories, are subject to testing and revision as additional facts are discovered that either bolster or undermine the conclusions and theories. Scientific truth, such as it is, is constantly evolving as new theories replace or modify old ones in the light of new facts.

Religious notions of creation work in the opposite fashion. They begin with a preconceived belief -- for example, that God created all the creatures on the Earth -- and then pick and choose among the observable facts in the natural world to find those that fit. Those that don't are ignored.

The scientific approach expands knowledge about the natural world; the religious approach impedes it.

The classic example of this occurred 369 years ago when the Catholic Church forced Galileo to recant the Copernican theory that the Earth revolves around the sun. That theory contradicted the religiously based idea that man and the Earth formed the center of God's creation. Had the church's creationist view of the solar system prevailed, Ohioan Neil Armstrong never would have set foot on the moon.

Today, Copernican theory is established and acknowledged fact.

When it comes to evolution, much confusion grows out of the understanding -- or misunderstanding -- of the words theory and fact. Evolution is a theory, but one that has become so thoroughly buttressed by physical evidence that, for all intents and purposes, it is a fact. No one outside of the willfully obstinate questions the idea that new life forms evolved from older ones, a process conclusively illustrated in biology and the fossil record.

Where disagreement still exists is over how the process of evolution occurs. Scientists argue about the mechanism by which change occurs and whether the process is gradual and constant or proceeds in fits in starts. But while they debate over how evolution occurs, they do not doubt that it does occur.

Another way to understand this is to consider gravity. Everyone accepts the existence of this force, but many questions remain about just what gravity is and how it works. That scientists argue about how gravity works doesn't change the fact that gravity exists. Or, as author Stephen Jay Gould has put it, "Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome.''

Just as with gravity, evolution is a fact.

Those who persist on questioning this fact are a tiny minority, even among people of faith. But they are a loud minority and, to those not well-grounded in science, their arguments can sound reasonable, even "scientific.'' But their arguments are little more than unfounded assertions dressed up in the language of science.

This minority also insists on creating conflict between religion and science where none needs to exist. Major faiths long since have reconciled themselves to a division of labor with science. Religion looks to humankind's spiritual and moral needs, while science attends to the material ones.

The Catholic Church, which once tried to hold back the progress of science, now admits that it was wrong to suppress Galileo. More than a billion Catholics draw sustenance from their faith untroubled by the knowledge that the planet is racing around the sun.

Religion, in turn, provides spiritual and moral guideposts to decide how best to use the awesome powers that science has unlocked and placed at humankind's disposal.

Nor are scientists themselves antagonistic to religion. Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientific geniuses in history, was deeply reverent: "My comprehension of God comes from the deeply felt conviction of a superior intelligence that reveals itself in the knowable world,'' he once said.

Others have made similar observations. The more the scientific method reveals about the intricacies of the universe, the more awestruck many scientists become.

The simplest way to reconcile religion and evolution is to accept the view propounded early last century by prominent Congregationalist minister and editor Lyman Abbott, who regarded evolution as the means God uses to create and shape life.

This view eliminates conflict between evolution and religion. It allows scientists to investigate evolution as a natural process and lets people of faith give God the credit for setting that process in motion.

As for what to do about creationism and evolution in schools, the answer is easy. Evolution should be taught in science classes. Creationism and related religiously based ideas should be taught in comparative-religion, civics and history classes.

Religion was and remains central to the American identity. It has profoundly shaped American ideals and provided the basis for its highest aspirations, from the Declaration of Independence to the civil-rights movement. There is no question that religion is a vital force and a vital area of knowledge that must be included in any complete education.

But not in the science classroom, because religion is not science. There is no such thing as Buddhist chemistry, Jewish physics or Christian mathematics.

The Earth revolves around the sun regardless of the faiths of the people whom gravity carries along for the ride. Two plus two equals four whether that sum is calculated by a Muslim or a Zoroastrian.

Reidelbach and her supporters genuinely worry that a crucial element -- moral education and appreciation of religion's role in America -- is missing in education. But they will not correct that lack by injecting pseudoscience into Ohio's science curriculum.

And Reidelbach is not the only one making this mistake. Senate Bill 222, sponsored by state Sen. Jim Jordan, R-Urbana, is equally misguided. This bill would require that science standards adopted by the State Board of Education be approved by resolution in the General Assembly. This is a recipe for disaster, injecting not only religion, but also politics, into Ohio's science classes.

These two bills should be ignored by lawmakers.

In a few months, when the State Board of Education lays out the standards for science education in Ohio's public schools, it should strongly endorse the teaching of evolution and ignore the demands of those who purvey pseudoscience.


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; educationnews; evolution; ohio
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To: Nebullis
I never said it was a vestigal tail. The fellow asked for a picture of one and additional information regarding thereto. This I supplied. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of internet literature on the nature of the tails, or even if they are true tails, such as those possessed by our lesser brethren, the monkeys. For all I know, it could be a really long mole.
1,141 posted on 02/28/2002 12:20:59 PM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
Okay. I was remembering a long-ago conversation.

For all I know, it could be a really long mole.

I think you might be right.

1,142 posted on 02/28/2002 12:23:12 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Virginia-American
See #1140. It should have been posted to you.
1,143 posted on 02/28/2002 12:34:45 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis, Junior
On the other hand, many of the macroevolutionary changes are all about simple numbers controlled by one or a few genes. It's not that all modular-type changes are not related to evolution. It's the notion of dormant vestigial characteristics, particularly ones which are controlled by genes that control multiple features at once, which raises a flag.
1,144 posted on 02/28/2002 12:46:29 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Scripter, VadeRetro
...the mutation turned on his existing tail vertebrae genes

Actually, my #1140 should be for you!

1,145 posted on 02/28/2002 12:54:54 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
Actually, my #1140 should be for you!

I saw it, thanks. I'm no scientist, but if I could have described my gut feel for that tail, it would have been just what you posted. Thanks.

I'm trying to arrive at my own conclusion with evolution.

Someone said: I have yet to hear how creationists deal with
1) vestigal organs like the appendix (except to claim they're not vestigal)
2) the hipbone of whales, and,
3) birth defects such as an occasional baby with a tail.

So to me, #3 or at least what we've seen of it here, doesn't "qualify." #2 I've never heard of (any pointers?). And #1... I thought vestigial organs when out with recapitulation. Pointers? URLs?

1,146 posted on 02/28/2002 1:14:55 PM PST by scripter
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To: scripter
These examples were given in a discussion of common descent. Vestigial tails in humans may not be a good example, but the other two examples are. What's more, the evidence at the molecular level is vast and very powerful. VR linked a good example for you. This example was discussed in two recent threads, linked earlier on this thread.

Recapitulation is not out. Organisms with similar bodyplans go through similar stages during development. And it's because development and bodyplans are controlled by the same genes.

1,147 posted on 02/28/2002 1:49:09 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: AndrewC
I only got one monkey-bite, catching an escapee from someone else's experiment. Little SOB also pulled a bunch of snap-leads off of the control panel for the rat experiment I and my partner were doing.

Our Experimental Psych. prof killed a bunch of rats trying to implant electrodes in their heads. He evidently lacked "touch." The biggest killer was some kind of rat distemper which messed up a lot of people's courses as their assigned (and assiduously trained) rats died in mid-semester.

I don't know what I ever saw in that stuff.

1,148 posted on 02/28/2002 1:58:51 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Nebullis
I can't decide if the thing is off-center or not. I didn't question because of this:

He is reported to have a 4in 'tail' caused by genetic mutations during the development of the foetus.
If the thing were just soft tissue, no one would have made too much of it but removed it. Thus I suspect it contains vertebrae although that's not based on any more than I've said.
1,149 posted on 02/28/2002 2:03:24 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Nebullis
The preceding is not to disagree with the rest of your post 140. The case for human origins was not based on vestigial tails.
1,150 posted on 02/28/2002 2:18:16 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
If the thing were just soft tissue, no one would have made too much of it but removed it. Thus I suspect it contains vertebrae although that's not based on any more than I've said.

The medical literature doesn't yield any cases of tails with vertebrae. Even the much touted Ledley case report was of a boneless structure.

Someone in my family recently returned from India where young children were sporting enormous tumorous structures on various body parts while begging on the streets.

1,151 posted on 02/28/2002 2:24:34 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: VadeRetro, scripter
The case for human origins was not based on vestigial tails.

Precisely.

1,152 posted on 02/28/2002 2:26:12 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
Even the much touted Ledley case report was of a boneless structure.

[Scratchy, old-woman voice:]

NE-ver mind! :)

1,153 posted on 02/28/2002 2:27:33 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Nebullis
Someone in my family recently returned from India where young children were sporting enormous tumorous structures on various body parts while begging on the streets.

Was that close to Bhopal?

1,154 posted on 02/28/2002 2:35:26 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Was that close to Bhopal?

Close to Delhi. Not to belittle the Bhopal incident, tumors can be a prized possession for the poor.

1,155 posted on 02/28/2002 2:58:41 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
... tumors can be a prized possession for the poor.

Bump. (I can't resist a tasteless pun.)

1,156 posted on 02/28/2002 3:07:07 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
A benign pun.
1,157 posted on 02/28/2002 3:10:36 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: PatrickHenry
... tumors can be a prized possession for the poor
1,158 posted on 02/28/2002 3:42:18 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: PatrickHenry
Please decide.

Change your tone, please.

How could I be so rude to a paragon of civility such as yourself? No one posting to FreeRepublic is less sarcastic, acerbic, or demanding toward fellow Freepers than yourself. Often is the time when you so kindly overlook the equivocating statements of others. Many a Freeper has testified to your unceasing civility and sensitivity.

O PatrickHenry...won't you please, pretty please, respond to post 1108?

1,159 posted on 02/28/2002 3:51:14 PM PST by Tares
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To: Doctor Stochastic
You give him three chances or until the cock crows, whichever comes first. That's seems to be traditional.

By either criterion, something is going on here.

1,160 posted on 02/28/2002 3:53:30 PM PST by VadeRetro
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