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Evolution debate: State board should reject pseudoscience
Columbus Dispatch ^ | February 17, 2002 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2002 4:59:53 AM PST by cracker

The Dispatch tries to verify the identity of those who submit letters to the editor, but this message presented some problems. It arrived on a postcard with no return address:

Dear Representative Linda Reidelbach: Evolution is one of my creations with which I am most pleased.

It was signed, God.

The Dispatch cannot confirm that this is a divine communication, but the newspaper does endorse the sentiment it expresses: that there is room in the world for science and religion, and the two need not be at war.

The newspaper also agrees that Reidelbach, a Republican state representative from Columbus, is among the lawmakers most in need of this revelation. She is the sponsor of House Bill 481, which says that when public schools teach evolution, they also must teach competing "theories'' about the origin of life.

Reidelbach says the bill would "encourage the presentation of scientific evidence regarding the origins of life and its diversity objectively and without religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

What this appears to mean is that any idea about the origin of life would be designated, incorrectly, a scientific theory and would get equal time with the genuine scientific theory known as evolution.

Those who correctly object that the creation stories of various religions are not scientific would be guilty, in the language of this bill, "of religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

Never mind that science is not a bias or an assumption but simply a rigorous and logical method for describing and explaining what is observed in nature.

What Reidelbach and her co-sponsors are attempting to do is to require that science classes also teach creationism, intelligent design and related unscientific notions about the origin of life that are derived from Christian belief.

So bent are they on getting Christianity's foot in the door of science classrooms that they apparently don't mind that this bill also appears to give the green light to the creation stories of competing religions, cults and any other manifestation of belief or unbelief. Apparently, even Satanists would have their say.

But the real problem is that Reidelbach's bill would undermine science education at the very moment when Ohio should be developing a scientifically literate generation of students who can help the state succeed in 21st-century technologies and compete economically around the globe.

The fact is that religious ideas, no matter how much they are dressed up in the language of science, are not science. And subjecting students to religious ideas in a science class simply would muddle their understanding of the scientific method and waste valuable time that ought to be used to learn genuine science.

The scientific method consists of observing the natural world and drawing conclusions about the causes of what is observed. These conclusions, or theories, are subject to testing and revision as additional facts are discovered that either bolster or undermine the conclusions and theories. Scientific truth, such as it is, is constantly evolving as new theories replace or modify old ones in the light of new facts.

Religious notions of creation work in the opposite fashion. They begin with a preconceived belief -- for example, that God created all the creatures on the Earth -- and then pick and choose among the observable facts in the natural world to find those that fit. Those that don't are ignored.

The scientific approach expands knowledge about the natural world; the religious approach impedes it.

The classic example of this occurred 369 years ago when the Catholic Church forced Galileo to recant the Copernican theory that the Earth revolves around the sun. That theory contradicted the religiously based idea that man and the Earth formed the center of God's creation. Had the church's creationist view of the solar system prevailed, Ohioan Neil Armstrong never would have set foot on the moon.

Today, Copernican theory is established and acknowledged fact.

When it comes to evolution, much confusion grows out of the understanding -- or misunderstanding -- of the words theory and fact. Evolution is a theory, but one that has become so thoroughly buttressed by physical evidence that, for all intents and purposes, it is a fact. No one outside of the willfully obstinate questions the idea that new life forms evolved from older ones, a process conclusively illustrated in biology and the fossil record.

Where disagreement still exists is over how the process of evolution occurs. Scientists argue about the mechanism by which change occurs and whether the process is gradual and constant or proceeds in fits in starts. But while they debate over how evolution occurs, they do not doubt that it does occur.

Another way to understand this is to consider gravity. Everyone accepts the existence of this force, but many questions remain about just what gravity is and how it works. That scientists argue about how gravity works doesn't change the fact that gravity exists. Or, as author Stephen Jay Gould has put it, "Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome.''

Just as with gravity, evolution is a fact.

Those who persist on questioning this fact are a tiny minority, even among people of faith. But they are a loud minority and, to those not well-grounded in science, their arguments can sound reasonable, even "scientific.'' But their arguments are little more than unfounded assertions dressed up in the language of science.

This minority also insists on creating conflict between religion and science where none needs to exist. Major faiths long since have reconciled themselves to a division of labor with science. Religion looks to humankind's spiritual and moral needs, while science attends to the material ones.

The Catholic Church, which once tried to hold back the progress of science, now admits that it was wrong to suppress Galileo. More than a billion Catholics draw sustenance from their faith untroubled by the knowledge that the planet is racing around the sun.

Religion, in turn, provides spiritual and moral guideposts to decide how best to use the awesome powers that science has unlocked and placed at humankind's disposal.

Nor are scientists themselves antagonistic to religion. Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientific geniuses in history, was deeply reverent: "My comprehension of God comes from the deeply felt conviction of a superior intelligence that reveals itself in the knowable world,'' he once said.

Others have made similar observations. The more the scientific method reveals about the intricacies of the universe, the more awestruck many scientists become.

The simplest way to reconcile religion and evolution is to accept the view propounded early last century by prominent Congregationalist minister and editor Lyman Abbott, who regarded evolution as the means God uses to create and shape life.

This view eliminates conflict between evolution and religion. It allows scientists to investigate evolution as a natural process and lets people of faith give God the credit for setting that process in motion.

As for what to do about creationism and evolution in schools, the answer is easy. Evolution should be taught in science classes. Creationism and related religiously based ideas should be taught in comparative-religion, civics and history classes.

Religion was and remains central to the American identity. It has profoundly shaped American ideals and provided the basis for its highest aspirations, from the Declaration of Independence to the civil-rights movement. There is no question that religion is a vital force and a vital area of knowledge that must be included in any complete education.

But not in the science classroom, because religion is not science. There is no such thing as Buddhist chemistry, Jewish physics or Christian mathematics.

The Earth revolves around the sun regardless of the faiths of the people whom gravity carries along for the ride. Two plus two equals four whether that sum is calculated by a Muslim or a Zoroastrian.

Reidelbach and her supporters genuinely worry that a crucial element -- moral education and appreciation of religion's role in America -- is missing in education. But they will not correct that lack by injecting pseudoscience into Ohio's science curriculum.

And Reidelbach is not the only one making this mistake. Senate Bill 222, sponsored by state Sen. Jim Jordan, R-Urbana, is equally misguided. This bill would require that science standards adopted by the State Board of Education be approved by resolution in the General Assembly. This is a recipe for disaster, injecting not only religion, but also politics, into Ohio's science classes.

These two bills should be ignored by lawmakers.

In a few months, when the State Board of Education lays out the standards for science education in Ohio's public schools, it should strongly endorse the teaching of evolution and ignore the demands of those who purvey pseudoscience.


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Ohio's Board of Education has been reviewing the teaching of Intelligent Design, partly in response to two bills introduced in the House and Senatethat would ban "naturalist bias" and require "alternatives" to evolution in biology classes.

The Dispatch has long been a forum for cr-evo debates, with numerous guest columnists and letters local OSU faculty (split), ministers, local Federal judges (anti-evo) and others, as well as weekly science columns on biology and geology (pro-evo).

1 posted on 02/18/2002 4:59:53 AM PST by cracker
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To: crevo_list
FYI, Ohio's capital city paper weighs in on the recent Crevo dust-up in the state science curriculum.
2 posted on 02/18/2002 5:01:44 AM PST by cracker
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"The scientific method consists of observing the natural world OK and drawing conclusions about the causes of what is observed. OK again These conclusions, or theories, are subject to testing No, they are not, evolution from one species to another - Macro Evolution, has never been tested and revision Yes, the only observable changes in the Theory of Evolution, are the constant changes in the theory itself as additional facts are discovered that either bolster These supposed supports get front page coverage or undermine No coverage for these, or else a Clintonesque escuse is used, ie: "those previous statements are no longer operative" the conclusions and theories. Scientific truth, such as it is, is constantly evolving You can say that again! as new theories replace or modify old ones in the light of new facts Or what passes for facts .
3 posted on 02/18/2002 6:11:33 AM PST by keithtoo
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To: cracker
No one outside of the willfully obstinate questions the idea that new life forms evolved from older ones, a process conclusively illustrated in biology and the fossil record.

We've got a whole lot of these folks on this forum...

4 posted on 02/18/2002 6:31:20 AM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
So bent are they on getting Christianity's foot in the door of science classrooms that they apparently don't mind that this bill also appears to give the green light to the creation stories of competing religions, cults and any other manifestation of belief or unbelief. Apparently, even Satanists would have their say.


This guy needs to get at clue, the Theory of Evolution is the Satinsts creation story.

5 posted on 02/18/2002 6:53:38 AM PST by Gridley_here
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To: cracker
No one outside of the willfully obstinate questions the idea that new life forms evolved from older ones, a process conclusively illustrated in biology and the fossil record.,

Micro-evolution is what is being refered to here, adaptation to change WITHIN a species. There is no fossil record of a species evolving into a different species, known a macro-evolution. The mixing of these two ideas is what seems to cause the fevered debates concerning evolution.
6 posted on 02/18/2002 7:04:02 AM PST by ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds
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To: cracker
Yay! Another crevo thread!
7 posted on 02/18/2002 7:26:33 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Junior
We've got a whole lot of these folks on this forum...

You can say that again...

8 posted on 02/18/2002 7:36:16 AM PST by jimt
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To: Gridley_here
...Theory of Evolution is the Satinsts [sic] creation story.

Would that be folks who worships soft, silky fabrics?

9 posted on 02/18/2002 8:05:39 AM PST by Junior
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To: ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds
There is no fossil record of a species evolving into a different species, known a macro-evolution.

"I see you have a nice collection of small pictures, arranged in chronological order, and affixed to a narrow strip of celluloid. An impressive display, but there is no evidence here. You claim these are moving pictures - but which picture shows the motion?"

10 posted on 02/18/2002 9:28:25 AM PST by cracker
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To: Gridley_here
This guy needs to get at clue, the Theory of Evolution is the Satinsts creation story.

A Satinist? Yeah. I like satin. But I've never heard of Satin worshippers...I'm sure they're around though--whatever creams your twinkie I suppose.

11 posted on 02/18/2002 9:33:23 AM PST by JediGirl
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To: cracker
What pictures? Are you holucinating?
12 posted on 02/18/2002 9:36:25 AM PST by ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds
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To: cracker;**Ohio;*Education News
Bump List
13 posted on 02/18/2002 9:47:06 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds
They're called fossils. Subtle.
14 posted on 02/18/2002 9:49:48 AM PST by cracker
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To: evolution
Crevo List

evolution

More bump lists

15 posted on 02/18/2002 9:55:36 AM PST by cracker
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To: cracker
I think the "evolution" list is going extinct, and in my objective opinion, no self-respecting, mainstream Freeper takes it seriously. Those few malcontents who point out that I was the creator of "crevo_list", and insinuate that I could be biased, are utterly misguided. :-)
16 posted on 02/18/2002 10:51:34 AM PST by jennyp
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To: jennyp
I wondered about that...
You being the creator, that is. I long susperted that the Crevo_list had been designed.
17 posted on 02/18/2002 11:08:50 AM PST by cracker
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To: cracker
Part of the famous "list-o-links" (so the creationists don't get to start each new thread from ground zero).

01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
02: Creation "Science" Debunked.
03: Creationi sm and Pseudo Science. Familiar cartoon then lots of links.
04: The SKEPTIC annotated bibliography. Amazingly great meta-site!
05: The Evidence for Human Evolution. For the "no evidence" crowd.
06: Massi ve mega-site with thousands of links on evolution, creationism, young earth, etc..
07: Another amazing site full of links debunking creationism.
08: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Great cartoon!
09: Glenn R. Morton's site about creationism's fallacies. Another jennyp contribution.
11: Is Evolution Science?. Successful PREDICTIONS of evolution (Moonman62).
12: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution. On point and well-written.
13: Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions. A creationist nightmare!
14: DARWIN, FULL TEXT OF HIS WRITINGS. The original ee-voe-lou-shunist.

The foregoing was just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated "Creationism vs. Evolution" threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review: The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 15].

18 posted on 02/18/2002 11:57:03 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: cracker
"I see you have a nice collection of small pictures, arranged in chronological order, and affixed to a narrow strip of celluloid. An impressive display, but there is no evidence here. You claim these are moving pictures - but which picture shows the motion?"

Very good. This is the best analogy I've seen on this subject. Did you come up with this on your own? (Just curious.)

20 posted on 02/19/2002 4:18:03 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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