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God's Back in His Heaven
Free Republic ^ | Feb. 19, 2002 | IronJack

Posted on 02/18/2002 3:38:52 AM PST by IronJack

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It is within our power to reclaim the battlefield after a decade of Leftist abandon. But our front line must be a sense of morality that is absent on the Left. That is, and has always been, the core of conservatism.
1 posted on 02/18/2002 3:38:52 AM PST by IronJack (sfs01@cox.net)
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To: IronJack
for a great article. Thanks, IronJack!
2 posted on 02/18/2002 3:47:32 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks, Joe. Let there be no doubt. We were right all along. Sept. 11 proved it.
3 posted on 02/18/2002 3:57:55 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
The Right argues from a standpoint that Truth will always out, and that Right will always triumph over Wrong.

Well, isn't that sweet? If the Right's position is always for the Truth (with a capital T), then that pretty much leaves the Left with ... something else.

How about how the Right rallied around Nixon and all his stonewalling, and the way the Right rallied around Reagan and his secret dealings with terrorists? And rightwing Congressman John Schmitz and his secret second family? Roy Cohn and his secret sex life? Oh yeah, the Reichtwing has a monopoly on the Truth!

4 posted on 02/18/2002 4:36:16 AM PST by DonQ
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To: DonQ
You missed the point of the article; the right is not immune to human failure. But truth is worth the trouble to examine. Nixon was a liar. Does that exempt other liars from scrutiny?
5 posted on 02/18/2002 4:54:20 AM PST by widowithfoursons
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To: IronJack
Points to ponder in rereading.
"To restore religion to its rightful place in our cultural discourse, is to imbue it again with the honor it has traditionally enjoyed.

That endows it with the weight it should carry, and makes it a guiding - if not defining - force in our morality.

To oppose it -
is to storm the very gates of Heaven itself.

Against that might, who can prevail? Certainly not the relativist Left, whose agnosticism serves as a flimsy substitute for the moral certainty - or at least reassurance - these times demand. As a nation composed of family oriented virtues,
[whose core values we've tried to conserve over the decades,
but have families and public schools been successful in imparting simple core values and traditions over succeeding generations ?]

The traditional bastions of morality , home and the church ,have been assailed to such an extent that Duty, Honor, and Country has fallen to Sex, Drugs, and Rock'n'roll.

But , since 9/11--
could that void lead to an unapologetic fulfillment to God, country, and family?
For what other institutions have served as our cultural anchors through every vagary of man and nature for a thousand years?
Think of it as a "return to normalcy," an ideological maturing that is long overdue, a putting away of childish things after a glimpse of Hell through a glass darkly.

Mostly, it is a covenant with the spirits of the past and the hopes of the future that the great promise of this land will not be squandered.

6 posted on 02/18/2002 5:16:12 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: vanjenerette
Bump
7 posted on 02/18/2002 5:21:34 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: DonQ
Well, isn't that sweet? If the Right's position is always for the Truth (with a capital T), then that pretty much leaves the Left with ... something else.

Yep.

How about how the Right rallied around Nixon and all his stonewalling,

The Right -- in the form of conservative congressional leadership -- told Nixon that if he didn't do the right thing, they would leave him hanging in the breeze. Shortly afterward, Nixon resigned. So much for that theory.

... and the way the Right rallied around Reagan and his secret dealings with terrorists?

Yeah. That nasty Reagan and the fact that he bargained away junk technology to rescue 50 American embassy workers who had been held prisoner for months, and whose lives were forfeit to the lunatics in Iran on a whim. Certainly a case of lesser evils there, I would say.

And rightwing Congressman John Schmitz and his secret second family?

Don't know anything about this.

Roy Cohn and his secret sex life?

Can't be too secret if some hate-spewing Lefty like you knows about it. And if you want to talk about sex lives, let's talk about Slick's. Or Ted Kennedy's. Or Barney Frank's. Or Marion Barry's. Or Martin Luther King's. Shall I go on?

Oh yeah, the Reichtwing has a monopoly on the Truth!

First of all, that isn't even the point I'm trying to make, so you wasted a lot of good umbrage. I'm saying that the Right is convinced that all it needs to do is take a moral stance and the world will beat a path to its door. But where morality has been crippled by relativists like yourself, it is no longer the armor it once was. In fact, I used that same metaphor throughout. But I suppose that was a little esoteric for someone raised on DC comics and Al Gore lectures.

Secondly, since the Left is sworn to Relativism, it doesn't even pretend to Truth. So why would you take offense? It is your cause that has forsaken absolutes -- including truth. That my cause embraces something more enduring than emphemera makes it more of a reassurance in times of uncerainty than yours, which promotes that very uncertainty.

Your philosophy is not only ineffectual and moribund, it is treasonous. Your weaknesses feed our enemies. Our strengths starve them. Sept. 11 proved it.

8 posted on 02/18/2002 1:58:54 PM PST by IronJack
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To: prognostigaator
have families and public schools been successful in imparting simple core values and traditions over succeeding generations ?

No. And to the degree they've failed, our culture has become weak and susceptible to the acts we saw on Sept. 11. Our strength lies in restoring the morality that made us strong to begin with.

9 posted on 02/18/2002 2:01:01 PM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
(belated) bump.

As an engineer and an atheist and a former liberal, and well read in the sciences, I read the above from a strange perspective. Even though I am certain that there is no God, I am increasingly certain that there is a Moral Order to the Universe that is inescapable and beyond our ordinary understanding.

I see in this post a conflict between two religions, one of which pretends not to be a religion.

Yet the liberalism or socialism of the Left is a form of religion. I've taken to using the word Secularism to name this religion. Here I use the word "religion" in an unconventional sense: religions embody our understanding of the order of the universe, of matters too awesome to understand by normal means.

But secularists claim their beliefs are the antithesis of religion, that secularism is the one true anti-religion. Perhaps the original thinkers who are the creators of Secularism thought that Science had progressed so far that there was little left in the Universe that we didn't understand, so far that we could Scientifically engineer Heaven on Earth (a book by Joshua Muravchik).

By protraying Secularism as the modern scientific antidote to religion, as anything but a religion, Secularists can then twist the freedom of religion clause in the Constitution into requiring us to ban all religions except theirs from public discourse, institutions and schools. The Constitutional ban on laws partial to any particular religion is turned into a mandate for Secularism as the one and only true state religion.

Read the above link to the Prologue of Muravchik's book, and notice how he compares the rise of Socialism to the rise of other religions, of which Socialism is one such.

Posts like the one that started this thread start to make much more sense to me when I reread them from the perspective that the Left is just another organized religion, with a couple of twists:

  1. its proponents believe they are dealing with scientific truth, not religious anachronisms, and
  2. as religions go, it is profoundly weak in providing a firm Moral Order, a mandate for ethical behaviour.

Science (as popularly misunderstood) has blinded many to the Moral Order of the Universe (commonly called "God") for the last couple of centuries.

Perhaps the greatest struggle in which we are now engaged is not the War on Terrorism, but rather the War on Secularism.

10 posted on 03/15/2002 5:50:52 PM PST by ThePythonicCow
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I am convinced that secularism is a form of moral terrorism. If our people are afraid to claim any moral strictures as our natural heritage, then how do we claim to be merely victims, and not conspirators in our own demise? Didn't our abandonment of our legacy account for the 9/11 attacks as much as American antipathy?
11 posted on 03/15/2002 9:17:25 PM PST by IronJack
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To: DonQ
How about the "right" doing the right thing when it came to Nixon telling him he should step down for the good of the country? How bout the "right" Nixon doing it?
Don't even dare to bring up hidden affairs as an example!
Your lefty socialists wouldn't know 'right' if it slapped them in the face!
How about Chinagate, Buddistgate, Hillarygate, Monicagate,pardongate and on and on and on?
12 posted on 03/15/2002 9:27:09 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: IronJack
And on the constructive side, it means the unapologetic return to God, country, and family, those institutions that have served as our cultural anchors through every vagary of man and nature for a thousand years.

BUMP!! Excellent article. Thank you for posting it

14 posted on 03/15/2002 9:43:12 PM PST by billbears
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To: IronJack
But our front line must be a sense of morality that is absent on the Left. That is, and has always been, the core of conservatism.

Excellent essay, IronJack. Fat, lazy, and licentious societies are always easy prey for the leaner, more disciplined ones.

15 posted on 03/15/2002 9:51:28 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: unamused; Admin Moderator
So, why don't you save time, and blow your useless brains out....so I don't have to do it for you...

Spoken as a left-wing moral-terrorist. We'll be keeping an eye on you henceforth, if you don't get banned for advocating such nihilistic and cruel violence.

16 posted on 03/15/2002 9:54:52 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: unamused
You will not get to have sex with any of my children, no matter how pure you are...

What a weird person you are.

17 posted on 03/15/2002 9:56:37 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
CJ, you've been keeping an eye on me for a while...it bores me.

If you can get the moderators to ban me for speaking out against your religion, that's cool....

but you will never be the theocratic leader of this country...don't that hurt 'ya???

18 posted on 03/15/2002 9:58:03 PM PST by unamused
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To: IronJack
Any comments on why you chose the title you did, IJ?
19 posted on 03/15/2002 10:02:41 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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