[CCWoody]

It looks like ftd has found someone else who either cannot or does not want to correctly define our position.

[Jerry_M]

Yawn. Sniff, sniff, is that the smell of straw men burning?

[the_doc]

ftD has never given satisfactory answers to any of my arguments concerning Romans 9. On another thread, I demonstrated conclusively that his "National Israel" explanation doesn't work. The entire chapter is talking about salvation.

This just gets curiouser and curiouser.

[Darksheare]

Do you guys even know what your position is?

[fortheDeclaration]

It looks like ftd has found someone else who either cannot or does not want to correctly define our position.

Ofcourse, not Woody, even Calvin himself couldn't define your position, because you do not know it! You just make it up as you go along hoping that no one will catch you in your lies and heresies.

[aruanan]

On Calvinism:

To represent man as sent into the world under a curse, as incurably wicked-wicked by the constitution of his nature and wicked by eternal decree-as doomed, unless exempted by special grace which he cannot merit, or by any effort of his own obtain, to live in sin while he remains on earth, and to be eternally miserable when he leaves it-to represent him as born unable to keep the commandments, yet as justly liable to everlasting punishment for breaking them, is alike repugnant to reason and conscience, and turns existence into a hideous nightmare.

(Short Studies, II, 3.)--James Anthony Froude, an admirer of Calvin, quoted here.