Eerie article on Yahoo about the shootdown of KAL 007.

Yaaaaaaaaaahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ^

[haole]

This reminds us of what really did cause TWA800 to go down. The SU-27 air-to-air missiles have much larger warheads than the MPATS / Stinger "beer-can" warheads, and they were not enough to bring down the '47.

To do that much damage, a larger surface-to-air missile, probably from a boat or ship would be needed.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

"I wonder what happened to all the bodies?"

Crab food.

[goodell70]

Do you remember even vaguely what sources you heard this from? I never read or heard that.

[Washington-Husky]

Crab food

Good one! My thoughts exactly. And not without reason...

I worked with a Russian-American guy once who said the reason the king crabs in the Bering Sea are so big is because the Russians used to (still do??) flush the dead from the gulags down the ice floes of their Far Eastern rivers which carries the bodies out to sea. Down they go, food for the crabs. (Crabs eat like pigs, by the way.)

And also, I'm not sure, but I think Solzhenitsyn spoke of this in one of his Gulag books.

[goodell70]

"The New American" (TNA) magazine (goes by that name on the web) had a series of articles on this that can be studied or downloaded. (After reaching the site, search under "KAL007".) I think that these articles may even be better informed that the Schlossberg book. The contention of the TNA author is that the airplane never went into the ocean. (Kind of like the Navy's four engine P2 that made an unauthorized landing at a Communist Chinese airbase several months ago, after colliding with a Chinese fighter jet.) The landing lights of the nearby Sakalinka airport were on and so it does not make sense that the pilots would risk ditching the jumbo jet in the water when they could just land the airplane. Note also that an FAA agent originally announced as a "confirmed FAA report" that the airplane landed at the airbase, based on tracking by Japanese military ("Self Defense") radar. Readers Digest (Dec 93) ran an article on this, raising questions about the fact that this is the only airliner in history that simply "disappeared." The reason the Russians shot the airplane down (never intending for it to be able to make an emergency landing) was because Congressman Lawrence McDonald was aboard. Everyone who knew of McDonald also realized his days were probably "numbered." This was because he was promoting the educational documentary videos "The Subversion Factor" and "No PLace to Hide," which establish, among other things, that international terrorism (even Islamic terrorism, the kind behind the tragedies of Sept 11) is being organized out of Moscow. These videos are also available at The New American magazine web site. Russia put on a big show of searching for the wreckage in the ocean - one that went on for months, but what really happened is sort of obvious. The airbase commander had no idea that the jumbo jet had been deliberately shot down when he announced that the passengers were safe. The Russians were not about to give up McDonald, and so they simply "changed the story." Israeli author Avrim Shifrin (former Russian Army officer who had to do several years "time" in the Russian penal system after applying for permission to emigrate to Israel), who wrote the Bantam "Encyclopedia" classic on the prison system in Russia, reported that his contacts said the Russians even had a U.S. Congressman in Lubyanka Psycho prison in Moscow. There is much more to all of this. Please check out The New American. If you are intimidated by the words "John Birch Society," just realize that there are a lot of "know-it-all" people in the liberal media who seriously mean for you to be intimidated -- very intimidated. Don't be surprised if people like that even post messages here. They do not want you exposed to this kind of information, no matter that it is factual and that it it is related to the safety and future well-being of America.

[sultan88]

"The reason the Russians shot the airplane down (never intending for it to be able to make an emergency landing) was because Congressman Lawrence McDonald was aboard.

I think this is the real reason the plane was shot down. McDonald was enemy number one to the Communists. I was unaware that Jesse Helms was to be on that flight as stated in a previous post.

[Redcloak]

I recall seeing video of Japanese authorities beach-combing for evidence on one network newscast or another. This footage included a few closeups of personal effects that were recovered.

[goodell70]

Thank you for replying. This was the very point. The "evidence" of the airplane going into the water was so scant -- speaking of the expected quantity of corpses and baggage, not to mention the fuselage itself -- that it suggested "mischief." In other words, the evidence that the airplane went into the water turned out to be fairly conclusive evidence that it actually never did go into the water. I really recommend following the series of articles on this that were published in The New American. It's on line. This is just a tiny part of a massive flood of deception and dishonesty that Americans have been and are still being subjected to.

[Redcloak]

So little washed ashore at Hokkaido because it is so far from the crash site. The debris seemed quite consistent with what one would expect given that much water between point A and point B. Also, I find it a little hard to believe that Ronaldus Magnus was engaged in a pro-Soviet cover-up.

[cmsgop]

Thanks for that tid-bit..........I now have 4 lbs of King Crab Legs Ready To Be Steamed for my Wife.....

Thanks Again.......

[Washington-Husky]

Hey, no problem! Oh, speaking of dinner -- would you like a link to that thread about the fish salami that the Norwegians thunk up? It's wonderful stuff, I hear (yeah, if you're using it as cat food!)

[Scholastic]

Bump. Thank you both for taking this issue seriously.

[Mulder]

61 American citizens were aboard the flight, including Congressman Larry McDonald (D-GA), nationally known for his anti-communist views.

Wasn't McDonald considering a Presidential run in his future?

[goodell70]

Thank you for replying. The paucity of bodies and baggage (not to mention the airplane itself) reported found indicate very strongly that the airplane never got wet. Concerning your remark about Ronald Reagan's not being a "conspirator," I might add that any fool also knows that Dwight Eisenhower was not a "Communist Agent" (refering to the ridicule once used against people who expressed concern that as many as 20,000 GI's captured at the Bulge and Normandy became permanent "slave labor" in Siberia instead of being allowed to come home -- see the American Legion magazine articles on this). I strongly recommend to you the video "The Subversion Factor." It's all in there. Go to "The New American" website. Read the KAL007 articles. Read "Masters of Deceit" by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover. Read the recent book about Senator Joseph McCarthy by James Madison Professor Arthur Hermann. Read the Russian KGB agent Anatolii Golitsyn's books "New Lies for Old" and "The Perestroika Deception." Find out what is really going on. Find out who was really behind the tragedies of Sept 11. Most important (repeating myself), see Congressman McDonald's "The Subversion Factor" documentary video. Since you mentioned the then president, the documentary concludes with this statement: "One thing is certain. Presidents come and go. And they enter office with the best of intentions. But once they are in office, they can be surrounded with people who are secretly involved in this problem that the American public deserves to know about." A very unconventional war is being fought against America, and the American public is being bombarded with dishonesty and deception concerning this basic reality. A hostile foreign power plays on people who are receptive to its cleverly produced propaganda to help carry its amazing program of deception against the American public. Don't be like that. Thank you.

[sultan88]

"Go to "The New American" website. Read the KAL007 articles..."

I have read the New American articles and have studied the downing of KAL007 for some time. I do not think it is "tin foil" stuff but rather a Cold War abduction of anti-Communist Larry McDonald and a subsequent cover up.

[_Jim]

The New American (TNA) magazine

... is a John Birch Society publication and the JBS mouthpiece *and* THEY have NEVER encountered a conspiracy they didn't see fit to make more hay with ...

[Harrison Bergeron]

"Boeing says that it could have remained afloat for an hour if the landing was soft."

Planes with missile damage tend not to float in accordance with the manufacturers suggested TTSB (Time to Sink to Bottom).

[goodell70]

You wrote that the "John Birch Society never saw a conspiracy it did not see fit to make hay with." Please explain this. What do you yourself mean by the word "Conspiracy"? The basic fact surrounding the question about the Boeing jumbo jet that was shot down by Russia is that its V.I.P. passenger was the chairman of the John Birch Society and as a U.S. Congressman he was exposing the problem of Russian controlled subversion ("conspiracy"?) in America. The following very recent comment by commentator Chuck Baldwin concerning "conspiracy" may be of interest: "However, just because certain conspiracy theories are advocated by people with personal agendas and extremist ideologies is not reason enough to automatically dismiss the facts that suggest there is a conspiracy to steal America's sovereignty and independence. These facts are plentiful and powerful. Only foolish people would dismiss them out-of-hand. As a Christian, I believe the Word of God to be my source of faith and practice. Therefore, I must take seriously the Word's admonition that, "There is a conspiracy" (Ezek. 22:25). In fact, the conspiracy to overthrow righteousness is ubiquitous. If one will study American history, he will note that our Founding Fathers firmly believed that a conspiracy of influential internationalists was behind many of the Draconian decisions of old King George. They said as much in the Declaration of Independence. In the Declaration, Thomas Jefferson wrote, "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." If that isn't a clear reference to conspiracy, I don't know what is. As in British-controlled America 200 years ago, policies advanced by like-minded politicos today attempt to erode our constitutional laws and national independence. Only a naïve person would suggest that this is mere coincidence. I remind my readers that George Bush, Sr. first popularized the name "New World Order." However, he is not the only notable personality that has openly called for such an international order. Former newsman, Walter Cronkite, has openly called for world government. Others calling for world government include England's Prime Minister, Tony Blair; former Clinton cabinet member, Strobe Tolbert; and a variety of spokesmen for the United Nations, as well as leaders from various multinational corporations. To think that all of these people (whose numbers are multitudinous) should not be taken seriously is the height of idiocy. Yes, my friends, there is a conspiracy. No, it is not a Jewish conspiracy. It is a conspiracy of elitists from all races and ethnic backgrounds who deeply despise our constitutional form of government, our national independence, and our Christian heritage. Some are communists; others are socialists. Many are wealthy and well positioned to advance their utopian ideas. They teach in our nation's colleges and universities. They occupy powerful positions in the media and in our political institutions. Many of them are also found behind the pulpits of our churches. The promoters of internationalism may not conduct monthly meetings. They may not carry New World Order membership cards in their wallets, but collectively they form a credible conspiracy to rob America of its independence. Furthermore, as long as patriotic Americans refuse to acknowledge their existence, the more effective they are at accomplishing their oligarchic objectives." Chuck Baldwin chuck@chuckbaldwinlive.com Chuck Baldwin Live http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com

[goodell70]

All of this, about how the Boeing 747 was actually a "spy plane," about how (mentioned by others) there was actually some kind of fighter plane "dog fight" going on, and the Jumbojet was mistakenly caught in the action -- all of this -- it all sounds like silly mischief (is it mischief?) meant to steer people away from this simple truth and reality: There was a U.S. Congressman who had picked up the cause of Senator Joseph McCarthy and who was politely (not recklessly) informing the public of the need to reinstitute funding for the House Committee on Un-American Activities, because Russian orchestrated communist subversion of our government was out of control. That's the basic reality. There are people changing the subject, steering it off to this course or that. What is their motive? Are they involved personally with the Communist Party? Are they just "fellow travelers" (persons intent upon helping the cause of subversion, no matter that it hurts America)? What is their motive? If a person has doubts that Congressman McDonald was being followed and that the airliner was shot down for the purpose of stopping him, see the two hour "The Subversion Factor" documentary video that he was promoting. Your doubts will evaporate. At the end of the video Congressman John Ashcroft (Ohio) is interviewed and gives the same basic testimony. Ashcroft was assassinated (murdered) shortly afterwards. See the video. Then you will know.