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Atheist says he acts in good faith
Honolulu Advertiser ^ | 2/11/02 | Will Hoover

Posted on 02/12/2002 9:11:10 AM PST by LarryLied

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:18:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Mitchell Kahle added another scalp to his belt when restrictions on apparel and accessories depicting Satanism were yanked from Kaimuki High School's dress code last week.

"To me, Satanism is a superstition," Kahle said. "Just like Christianity."

The point, he insisted, was that if one religious symbol is banned from a public school dress code, they all must go.


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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Mitchell Kahle is a lifelong atheist.

He'll be an atheist until his long life is over...Then he'll know the truth, but by then it will be too late.

21 posted on 02/12/2002 11:15:03 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
Someone Dashole could learn to admire?
22 posted on 02/12/2002 11:16:51 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: My2Cents
Then he'll know the truth, but by then it will be too late.

It must be nice, knowing beforehand, that you're betting on the winning horse.

23 posted on 02/12/2002 11:22:59 AM PST by thinktwice
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To: LarryLied
Another left wing nut.
24 posted on 02/12/2002 11:23:30 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Zack Nguyen
Just because one is an atheist, it does not mean that one does not have a source for one's principles. One's principles can be drawn from science and the physical universe; they do not need to be drawn from supranatural sources.

However, as you say, there is no legitimate reason for taking crosses, which do no harm to anyone.

25 posted on 02/12/2002 11:33:38 AM PST by Jeremy_Bentham
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To: Mr. Bird
Sammy Davis Jr. joined the Church Of Satan briefly in the 1960s.

Lousy scan, but it was the only one I've found online in the couple of minutes I spent looking.

26 posted on 02/12/2002 11:35:28 AM PST by weegee
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To: LarryLied
what is the difference between a witch doctor and a psychologist, a classical psychiatrist or a marxist who spouts a belief in an imperative economic eschatology?

Witch Doctors, and certain ecclesiastical courts -- Catholics included, are/were empowered to send individuals to their death.

27 posted on 02/12/2002 11:36:31 AM PST by thinktwice
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To: LarryLied
"Atheist says he acts in good faith"

Reservations are now being accepted for Eternity...smoking or nonsmoking?

28 posted on 02/12/2002 11:48:42 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: thinktwice
Peter wrote in his first letter, "These things I tell you so that you may know that you have eternal life...." Peter is saying it is possible to know with certainty that we have eternal life, or, as you say, "backed the winning horse." Initially it's a matter of faith, but Christianity is not a blind leap of faith into the darkness. Please see THE GOD WHO IS THERE by Francis Schaeffer, and really pretty much anything by Schaeffer, for an elaboration on this assurance.
29 posted on 02/12/2002 11:50:56 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: thinktwice
Are you betting on the same high horse that you ride upon? What do you win?

It is not a gamble for a Christian. Although, it is your right to continue casting lots under the cross.

30 posted on 02/12/2002 11:55:14 AM PST by Heartlander
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To: thinktwice
certain ecclesiastical courts -- Catholics included, are/were empowered to send individuals to their death.

A real threat now, isn't it? Tens of thousands alive today have had a member of their family executed by Catholic courts.

Btw...the civil courts in Spain were worse than the Inquisition. People petitioned to be tried by the Church. It is also not surprising that theocratic governments would have theocratic courts.

If you are interested in systems which oppress, I suggest you look toward Marxism and Islam, not Christianity or Judaism

31 posted on 02/12/2002 12:00:38 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: weegee
What is a symbol for the "religion" on Satanism?


32 posted on 02/12/2002 12:11:23 PM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
If that is the poster-spawn the Church Of Satan uses to recruit people for the orgies, then they are sicker than we thought!
33 posted on 02/12/2002 12:23:49 PM PST by weegee
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To: Destructor
I emailed my earlier comment ("It always amazes me that the people most obsessed about God are the atheists.") to Will Hoover, who authored the article about Mr. Kahle, and Mr. Hoover responded:

"I've wondered about that too. Years ago I did a story about an extreme Atheist in Iowa. Years later someone told me he'd found God! I was so stunned I called him. Sure enough. I'm about 99.44 percent positive that's not going to happen with Kahle. But hey, anything's possible. Yours humbly... Will Hoover"

34 posted on 02/12/2002 12:27:54 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: weegee
Pardon the pun, but I'll be damned!
35 posted on 02/12/2002 12:37:33 PM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: onedoug
Atheism contradicts itself by belief in atheism.

Atheism - A = without, theism = religion

Atheists don't have religin, we're without religion, we believe in no religion.

There's nothing contradictory there at all...

Now, believing that "God is merciful" and "God damns people to Hell for all eternity," there's a contradiction!

36 posted on 02/12/2002 12:40:04 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: LarryLied
I never heard of the guy. It's pretty plain though that he needs a major adjustment. I'll be happy to work with him on that anytime.
37 posted on 02/12/2002 12:42:51 PM PST by SoDak
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To: xm177e2
Atheists don't have religion, we're without religion, we believe in no religion.

Yes. But by saying there is no God, you have made a categorical statement about the nature of existence as metaphysical, theological and doctrinal as fundamentalists who believe God speaks to them. The only way to avoid making a theological claim is to be an agnostic.

38 posted on 02/12/2002 12:48:19 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
aaahh, so Mr. Kahle can freely express his religious beliefs(or lack thereof), but everyone else can not. Anyone see the irony here?

For the record, sounds like the guy is a Christian basher as well. I know it was not thought of at the time, but imo, there is some event leading up to the 7th grade incident--molestation? even demonic possession? that caused him to "suddenly" deny his faith. Think John Walker here. It's a shame, like Walker, that instead of dealing with his issues(and he's had a lot more time to do so), he is using his hatred as a means by which to restrict other folks expression of thier faith merely because the very site of thier symbols offends him. I don't know about anyone else, but I get the creeps by people like this where thier agenda and reason for lack of faith is not clear. Like something very sinister is lurking beneath. Many people in this camp you can chalk up to the sheer stupidity that sheeple have, but someone like this--shiver.

39 posted on 02/12/2002 12:56:30 PM PST by glory
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To: xm177e2
Everyone has a religion. For some, their religion is secular humanism -- a faith in man. For others, their religion is politics and their god is the state -- a variation in a faith in man.

To say that it's contradictory to believe in a God of mercy, and to also believe that this God of mercy can condemn people to hell, is a shallow contention, intellectually. The true theological "tension" is a belief in a God of mercy, and a belief in a God of justice -- justice requiring punishment.

It's only because God's justice has been satisfied in Christ's death that anyone can experience God's mercy. There is no reason for anyone to be consigned to hell, not with the provision and the price that God himself paid on our behalf. As C.S. Lewis wrote in numerous places, the only reason people end up in hell is that they choose to end up there. (Read "The Great Divorce.")

40 posted on 02/12/2002 12:58:53 PM PST by My2Cents
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