Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski
Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.
You don't know that. I would argue exactly the opposite. Because they were "swingers" (whoring around might be a better word for it), they are exposing themselves and their children to huge risks. They get drunk/stoned and pick up barflies, then bring them home with them. Aside from sexually transmitted diseases, they should worry about perverts, serial killers, home robbery (excellent casing opportunity, after all) and any number of vile things. Despite claims to the contrary, child molesters often use a parent, usually the mother, as the quickest route to the child.
I think the real problem in marriages like this is that neither partner had a real commitment to the marriage. Unfortunately, in this day and age when even the meaning of "is" comes under fire, no one takes solemn vows very seriously. When you vow to God and your mate, in front of family, friends, and the congregation, to remain true, then break those vows, how can that lead to anything worthwhile?
A case of the pot calling the kettle black? See post #208, where someone named EricOKC wrote:
I mean, I cant imagine anyone would be able to remain faithful being married to a closed minded, judgemental, sanctimonious prig like yourself...
You might have it both ways in your marriage, but in a debate, there are people present who actually think and reason. Your arguments don't hold up well here. We see them for what they are, even if you don't.
Birds of a feather . . . in this case, not the best birds.
#2, and this one REALLY got me, why didn't the mom check on the kids when she got home? This to me makes NO sense. You always check on your kids, ALWAYS, it's an instinct. My kid is 16, if I fall asleep on the coach and wake up at 2 am, even if I know she was home when I fell asleep, I still check on her as I make my way to the bed.
As we say in New York, these parents are not Kosher. As we say in general, their story sounds pretty fishy. The idea that the mom and the neighbor were dancing at the bar is just too much.
I hope the local police recall the case of the poor girl from Long Island who was kept prisoner in a home-made dungeon. As hubby exclaimed to me while I was reading 'emerging details' in Newsday (the Long Island daily paper)'Does it disturb you? That she was surrounded by child molesters? DOES IT DISTURB YOU?!?!' Of course, it did disturb me very much. The little girl from Long Island was rescued, finally. Luckily her captor wasn't killed in a car crash, nor dropped dead of a heart attack (he was no kid the guy, in his 50's) before the cops cracked his story. I hope poor Danielle will be so lucky.
If the parents know stuff they're not telling,they better spill their guts NOW! Or they are going to really rot in Hell.
Jessica
I don't participate in "swinging", I've known people who did, and you are right in saying that most people here probably would never be able to ID a swinger on sight. In fact, I dare say that any one here who has a fairly large circle of friends, acquaintances, and work relations, knows a swinger or two.
I don't know if their actions that night precipitated the kidnapping, I wouldn't go as far as pinpointing guilt on them based on their sexual promiscuity, or "lifestyle", I don't think Molly Klaas had "swinger" parents.
Truth of the matter is that this kind of thing happens, to "swingers" as well as to normal, everyday families. It seems to me that way too many people in here are willing to lay blame on the parents, and seem to be forgetting that whomever took that little girl is the guilty party, her parents sexual preferences do not excuse the kidnapping.
I have read comments here from people calling your lifestyle "sick", and "perverted", praying for you.
The biggest bunch of sexual deviants and adulterers I ever came across where members of a Church in a small town in Alabama where I lived once for a few months on a job-related assignment. Everyone was sleeping with someone else's wife, including the Pastor, who was sleeping with an 18 year-old member of his choir. I know all this because his wife is my oldest friend, and I helped her get a lawyer when she divorced him. I guess I can now claim the moral high ground and brand all Southern Baptists as sick, adulterers, and vile sinners. Turn about is fair play they say. But it would be wrong to do that wouldn't it?
It wouldn't surprise me if some of those very same type of people are in here passing judgement on you. I wonder how many of them would be as willing to have their bedroom actions judged by us all.
Hang in there;
Luis
grlfrnd, that's the thing that bothers me the most. Anyone who would do the things these "parents" do, would not necessarily be above bringing their children into that "lifestyle." After all, if they believe in it with all their heart as EricOKC seems to, why wouldn't they think it in the "best interest of the child" to bring them into it, too? If I were the police, I'd sure be looking into that family, questioning everyone (that they know of) they've "brought home" for their little sex parties--could it be the daughter was part of the party, and someone got too rough?
If you had a problem be content that you overcame it and you did not lose a child over it.
Sorry to post two replies, but what on earth do you mean, no signs of foul play? There's a ten year old, she goes to bed, in the morning she's gone, she doesn't turn up in an hour or two...is this not a sign of foul play? If you mean no sign of murder, that's one thing, but there has certainly been "play" and it has certainly been foul. I do not think foul play means just murder,or even violence, it means illegal activity.
What I hear that sometimes makes me uneasy is when a character like Mrs. Dam is castigated for a "cold demeanor"--seems to me that a mom who's holding onto sanity by her fingernails might just exhibit innapropriate demeanor. Some people react to horror with the giggles.
Better evidence does suggest that she's a bad 'un, though, than mere facial affect.
Reading this thread this morning, I had the same question. "Methinks ErickOKC protesteth too much." Maybe there's more jealousy here than is at first apparent.
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