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To: vooch;Fusion; vooch; spar; Bluester; Travis Mcgee; Joan; Marmema;hoplite
So you are supporting the mass expulsion of the Kosovar Albanian population from Kosovo and the civil war that would follow? That would have been the case if NATO/U.S. did not intervened as a result of listening to the ICJ. The aftermath which would have turned into a civil war would be on the conscience of that judge and his colleagues.

Don't get me wrong I do not like the KLA and the fact that they shoot people in the back but their is such a thing as an every day Kosovar Albanian who is just interested in supporting his or her family and want to live in peace. I have met some of these kind of people. Serbian and Croatian as well. Milosovic's big mistake was to push the Kosovar Albanians out of Kosovo. The likes of Arkan being present while this was taking place indicates to what length Milosivic was ready to go in getting rid of the Kosovar Albanin population. Thank God Arkan no longer walks the earth but I'm sure he is enjoying hell.

46 posted on 02/13/2002 9:25:01 AM PST by Wraith
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To: Wraith
"So you are supporting the mass expulsion of the Kosovar Albanian population from Kosovo and the civil war that would follow? That would have been the case if NATO/U.S. did not intervened as a result of listening to the ICJ."

That was the case after NATO started bombing and because NATO started bombing. Many of the Kosovo Albanians left because people in masks ordered them too - most likely KLA/mercenaries. Those who stayed were punished (by those who had ordered the fleeing or had fleed themselves) after the war because they didn't flee. It was NATO and the KLA they wanted to get some of them out.

Many of the camps that the refugees fleed to were controlled by the KLA who reportedly stole their money and, in some cases, indoctrinated them - perhaps for the coming "revenge".

One photo of an Albanian woman passing her baby through a barbed wire fence to other Albanians (all the adults were smiling, so probably it wasn't a grave situation but a photo opportunity to present to the sheeple - an image of refugees & barbed wire fences) was in the newspapers, and I remember other Freepers (from New York) saying the image was on posters on the subway. Yet, the caption showed the photo was TAKEN IN ALBANIA, not Kosovo.

And if the Serbs wanted the Albanian civilians to leave, why were they escorting scores back into Kosovo towards their homes. These refugees were bombed and strafed by NATO for hours. NATO didn't want them to go back then. NATO also bombed an encampment of sleeping Albanian refugees who had gone back to Kosovo. NATO also bombed a Greek ambulance in Kosovo after the Greeks had informed NATO about their plans to travel to Kosovo (thinking NATO would be careful not to bomb them) but it appears informing NATO was what made them most vulnerable.

NATO showed by its targeted bombing whom it did not want back into Kosovo at that time.

48 posted on 02/13/2002 9:50:39 AM PST by joan
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To: Wraith; vooch
So you are supporting the mass expulsion of the Kosovar Albanian population from Kosovo and the civil war that would follow? That would have been the case if NATO/U.S. did not intervened as a result of listening to the ICJ. The aftermath which would have turned into a civil war would be on the conscience of that judge and his colleagues.

The US Constitution and international law that the US helped write can not be put aside based on psychic premonitions.

Don't get me wrong I do not like the KLA and the fact that they shoot people in the back but their is such a thing as an every day Kosovar Albanian who is just interested in supporting his or her family and want to live in peace.

Your every day Kosovar is a citizen of the sovereign state of Yugoslavia, a founding member of the UN. NATO has no jurisdiction.

I have met some of these kind of people. Serbian and Croatian as well.

I have not met anyone from Yugoslavia, so you have one up on me.

Milosovic's big mistake was to push the Kosovar Albanians out of Kosovo. The expulsions did not begin until after NATO starting bombing, an act which even you can not claim was legitimate.

The likes of Arkan being present while this was taking place indicates to what length Milosivic was ready to go in getting rid of the Kosovar Albanin population. Arkan was in Belgrade, I heard his interview on American TV.

Thank God Arkan no longer walks the earth but I'm sure he is enjoying hell. Ever read Milton?

The NATO/ U.S. reaction in Kosovo despite the U.S. Congress's vote to not take military action could have resulted in another Rwanda. A show of GRIT on the part of Clinton to intervene and not have a repeat of Rwanda.

Rawanda resulted in 800,000 lives being killed mostly without bullets in under one month's time. Kosovo and Bosnia combined were not even close to Rawanda. Besides, the President can not put aside the wishes of Congress and the US Constitution based on psychic premonitions. Flawed ones at that.

You forgot to mention that the President of the United States has the power of a Veto in regards to Congress's vote and exercised that power. If he acted illegally why was he not impeached????

If I was grading your paper I would have to fail you. The veto applies to legislation not to the war power's provision. Why was Clinton not impeached? Long story made short:

Clinton started bombing, refused to come to congress for approval. Congress threatens legal action, Clinton submits permission request. Congress refuses request in a stunning 50-50 split vote. Since a majority vote is needed legally it's the same as a denial. Clinton ignores Congress continues bombing. Congress takes Clinton to court. Judge ruled that since Congress voted against the measure it was up to them to end the war by not funding the military budget for Kosovo. That did not happen. Congress appealed the ruling and is now still in court pending judicial review if ever. Clinton was saved by a legal technicality.

50 posted on 02/13/2002 11:46:48 AM PST by Spar
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