[Spar]

So you are supporting the mass expulsion of the Kosovar Albanian population from Kosovo and the civil war that would follow? That would have been the case if NATO/U.S. did not intervened as a result of listening to the ICJ. The aftermath which would have turned into a civil war would be on the conscience of that judge and his colleagues.

The US Constitution and international law that the US helped write can not be put aside based on psychic premonitions.

Don't get me wrong I do not like the KLA and the fact that they shoot people in the back but their is such a thing as an every day Kosovar Albanian who is just interested in supporting his or her family and want to live in peace.

Your every day Kosovar is a citizen of the sovereign state of Yugoslavia, a founding member of the UN. NATO has no jurisdiction.

I have met some of these kind of people. Serbian and Croatian as well.

I have not met anyone from Yugoslavia, so you have one up on me.

Milosovic's big mistake was to push the Kosovar Albanians out of Kosovo. The expulsions did not begin until after NATO starting bombing, an act which even you can not claim was legitimate.

The likes of Arkan being present while this was taking place indicates to what length Milosivic was ready to go in getting rid of the Kosovar Albanin population. Arkan was in Belgrade, I heard his interview on American TV.

Thank God Arkan no longer walks the earth but I'm sure he is enjoying hell. Ever read Milton?

The NATO/ U.S. reaction in Kosovo despite the U.S. Congress's vote to not take military action could have resulted in another Rwanda. A show of GRIT on the part of Clinton to intervene and not have a repeat of Rwanda.

Rawanda resulted in 800,000 lives being killed mostly without bullets in under one month's time. Kosovo and Bosnia combined were not even close to Rawanda. Besides, the President can not put aside the wishes of Congress and the US Constitution based on psychic premonitions. Flawed ones at that.

You forgot to mention that the President of the United States has the power of a Veto in regards to Congress's vote and exercised that power. If he acted illegally why was he not impeached????

If I was grading your paper I would have to fail you. The veto applies to legislation not to the war power's provision. Why was Clinton not impeached? Long story made short:

Clinton started bombing, refused to come to congress for approval. Congress threatens legal action, Clinton submits permission request. Congress refuses request in a stunning 50-50 split vote. Since a majority vote is needed legally it's the same as a denial. Clinton ignores Congress continues bombing. Congress takes Clinton to court. Judge ruled that since Congress voted against the measure it was up to them to end the war by not funding the military budget for Kosovo. That did not happen. Congress appealed the ruling and is now still in court pending judicial review if ever. Clinton was saved by a legal technicality.

[Wraith]

So you are supporting the mass expulsion of the Kosovar Albanian population from Kosovo and the civil war that would follow? That would have been the case if NATO/U.S. did not intervened as a result of listening to the ICJ. The aftermath which would have turned into a civil war would be on the conscience of that judge and his colleagues.

The US Constitution and international law that the US helped write can not be put aside based on psychic premonitions

Well Spar-ky Clinton had the balls to do it and prevented another sad chapter in the Balkan conflict. He made the right MORAL decision. You forgot about RWANDA already. It does not take a genius even in their own mind like yourself perhaps, to figure out that the Kosovar Albanians would let things go after being forced to leave their homes and province? Would constitute reason for retaliation don't you think oh wise one? I'm sure Clinton is quacking in his boots knowing you objected. Did you write your Congressman?

The expulsions did not begin until after NATO starting bombing, an act which even you can not claim was legitimate.

Legitimate in what sense? I believe it was a moral issue in order to prevent another Rwanda like situation. You know civil war probably dragging in Albania and even more of the Islamic entity as Fusion would say to turn up the heat even more. You can't see this?

Wraith said "The likes of Arkan being present while this was taking place indicates to what length Milosivic was ready to go in getting rid of the Kosovar Albanin population." Spar-ky said "Arkan was in Belgrade, I heard his interview on American TV."

Well you know, here one day and there the next. Arkan was in Kosovo, I held a photo that was found in Pristina of Arkan and his thuglings all in uniform and with weapons. Did you know that Arkan owned the GRAND HOTEL, the most luxurious hotel in Pristina Kosovo. Of course he and his tigers were there. Why would you even try and defend a thug like that? You may know U.S. congressional procedures but you sure suck at knowing what happened in Kosovo.

Rawanda resulted in 800,000 lives being killed mostly without bullets in under one month's time. Kosovo and Bosnia combined were not even close to Rawanda. Besides, the President can not put aside the wishes of Congress and the US Constitution based on psychic premonitions. Flawed ones at that.

Listen to what you are saying. You brush off the lesson of Rawanda as if those 800,000 people were nothing. Any sane person in a position of power knowing what happened in Rawanda would not want somthing like that to happen again which makes me wonder about how flawed your thinking is.

Well you know spar-ky being a non American I really don't really follow your countries politics very much or care because ouside the U.S. boarders there is the rest of the world to pay attention to, which I find more interesting.

[Francohio]

In order for the Clinton Administration to justify its support for the Albanians and for the Bosnians, as well, it was necessary to demonize the Serbs, who in many ways were victims of both. In this, the Clintonians played many of the same cards the Soviet Union under Stalin played against them. In fact, the Soviet Union played the Albanian card in exactly the same way Bill Clinton did, in promoting the KLA off the international terrorist list, where they were in 1993, to the unlikely role of Balkan "Freedom Fighters."

The Serbs are not exactly saints. Neither are they any worse sinners than the
other players in the never-ending scrimmages amongst the South Slavs.

So, anyone who thinks the Bosnians, for example, did not commit multiple atrocities upon the Bosnian Serbs and Croats (and vice-versa, of course) is a fool. When it comes to atrocities against Christians, the Slav Muslims are not exactly inexperienced. They trained for centuries under their Turkish masters, who usually used the Bosnians as overseers, while the Albanian thugs in their employ did the heavy lifting.

Furthermore, the Bosnians have always done outstanding work in supporting their terrorist Muslim brothers. In particular, they have been quick to give refuge to KLA murderers, and of course al-Qaida.

The US and Britain (Clinton and Blair) were wrong to take any side in this conflict. When they took the side of the Bosnians, and then even more incredibly, the Albanians (of all people!), and began the completely unwarranted bombing of civilian targets in Serbia, they made all of us war criminals. How many Americans know, for example, that far more Serbs have been driven from their homes and made refugees than any other group in this conflict?

I am even more shamed that NATO members blame the Serbs for "trickery" in the enormous casualties caused among Albanians during the US bombing. (No use blaming NATO, we flew 95% of the missions, Britain about 3%, and the rest German, French and Dutch.)

In short, I think that as the Milosevic trial progresses, the attack on Serbia and the alliance with the KLA will prove to be one of the biggest embarassments to the US of the 20th Century.