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EXPERT IN PYSCHOLOGY OF ETHNIC CONFLICT CHANGES HIS MIND ABOUT YUGOSLAVIA
Emperor's Clothes ^ | February 9, 2002 | Francisco Gil-White & Jared Israel

Posted on 02/10/2002 10:31:32 AM PST by joan

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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
By the way--have you seen the "mass graves" report in the BBC today? It's Sadaam again--of course

Seriously????

101 posted on 02/11/2002 1:31:34 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Tropoljac
Because it served a purpose other than symbolizing the communist oppression of Croats and others stuck in the prison called "Yugoslavia".

I understand that Croats destroyed the Jasenovac Monument, the local museum as well as the various artifacts contained within. Did any of those serve to symbolize the "communist opression of Croats"?

102 posted on 02/11/2002 1:54:43 PM PST by Ichabod Walrus
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To: Tropoljac
Bullcrap! RTV Beograd was notorious for constantly saying "Ustasa" every time Croatia was mentioned. "Ustasa this and Ustasa that!"

So I take it you don't deny that Croatian media prefaced every reference to Serbs or the Yugoslav Army with "Serbian-Communist-Chetnik-evildoer-occupation" forces from 1991 on?

103 posted on 02/11/2002 1:58:39 PM PST by Ichabod Walrus
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To: joan
bump for later....looks interesting
104 posted on 02/11/2002 2:02:54 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Tropoljac
Sorry, it wasn't destroyed by Croats. Check it out on-line if you'd like. Do a google search.

You claim it wasn't destroyed by Croats? That's certainly not what Serbs living in and around Jasenovac saw. There's very little doubt given the fact that Croats destroyed over 200 churches and 20,000 homes in the republic of Croatia (80 churches in Slavonija alone) that the documents rescued by fleeing Serbs would have been destroyed. The only doubt exists in the mind of apologists for Franjo Tudjman and his effort to bury Croatian Nazi soldiers at the site of the Jasenovac memorial. In fact, visitors to Jasenovac after the most massive single ethnic cleansing operation in the former Yugoslavia could have gone to Jasenovac for years after the war and witnessed various documents sitting about the grounds of what used to be the Jasenovac memorial. Any attempt to ask why these documents were not being appropriately treated would simply have been "looking for trouble. Are you saying

Like the Jasenovac Memorial, the Nikola Tesla Museum was destroyed by Croats? How was this a symbol of Communist oppression?

Also, almost all of the Cyrillic documents in all major archives in Croatia have been systematically destroyed by the government of Croatia. How were these documents symbols of Communist oppression?

What do you think of Tudjman's plan to re-bury Croat Nazis at the Jasenovac Memorial?

107 posted on 02/11/2002 4:12:15 PM PST by Ichabod Walrus
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To: Tropoljac
Sorry, it wasn't destroyed by Croats. Check it out on-line if you'd like. Do a google search.

You claim it wasn't destroyed by Croats? That's certainly not what Serbs living in and around Jasenovac saw. There's very little doubt given the fact that Croats destroyed over 200 churches and 20,000 homes in the republic of Croatia (80 churches in Slavonija alone) that the documents rescued by fleeing Serbs would have been destroyed. The only doubt exists in the mind of apologists for Franjo Tudjman and his effort to bury Croatian Nazi soldiers at the site of the Jasenovac memorial. In fact, visitors to Jasenovac after the most massive single ethnic cleansing operation in the former Yugoslavia could have gone to Jasenovac for years after the war and witnessed various documents sitting about the grounds of what used to be the Jasenovac memorial. Any attempt to ask why these documents were not being appropriately treated would simply have been "looking for trouble. Are you saying

Like the Jasenovac Memorial, the Nikola Tesla Museum was destroyed by Croats? How was this a symbol of Communist oppression?

Also, almost all of the Cyrillic documents in all major archives in Croatia have been systematically destroyed by the government of Croatia. How were these documents symbols of Communist oppression?

What do you think of Tudjman's plan to re-bury Croat Nazis at the Jasenovac Memorial?

108 posted on 02/11/2002 4:12:29 PM PST by Ichabod Walrus
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To: Tropoljac
Because it served a purpose other than symbolizing the communist oppression of Croats and others stuck in the prison called "Yugoslavia".

Shouldn't have Serb homes, businesses and churches also remained untouched then, because they "served a purpose other than symbolizing the communist oppression of Croats"?

You still haven't answered my question though, wasn't the Brotherhood-Unity Highway similarly a Communist monument? Never mind the fact that it can be used for transport. Also, was the Jasenovac Memorial a monument "symbolizing the communist oppression of Croats" or wasn't it?

109 posted on 02/11/2002 4:21:53 PM PST by Ichabod Walrus
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To: Tropoljac
tried to portray himself as a statesman...allowed the criminal underground to flourish, had political opponenets killed, allowed a kleptocracy to flourish, nepotism reigned...he refused to recognize the results of an election...and then tried to contest the results

...But enough about Al Gore...

110 posted on 02/11/2002 6:48:49 PM PST by razorbak
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To: Tropoljac
Hahahahahahahah, what a sad defence Tropoljac. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

TANJUG can't be listened to. It's a press agency. RTV Beograd is defunct; has been for a decade.

Anyway, what do you have against TANJUG? It's a government-owned media house - just like BBC. You don't seem to hold any grudges against BBC...

Yeah, I am a Serbian chauvinist. So much so that three of my girflriends were non-Serb, and one of my best friends was a Slovak. I live secluded here in Canada; We Serbs have built a compound here in town and we don't let non-Serbs in, or even near. All 15,000 of us, man! It's awesome! We have a canal around the compound and we keep (hungry) aligators handy. Better safe than sorry.

We are also petitioning the City gov't to declare the zone "Serb only".

Seriously, moljac Tropoljac - I don't even know what a chauvinist is. I know the meaning of the word but have never in my life experienced chauvinism. That's a Croatian thing. You always accuse us of having some (negative) character traits so prevalent in your (Croat) society.

I've gotta go now. Band practice.

111 posted on 02/11/2002 7:10:11 PM PST by Vojvodina
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To: joan
I've noticed a pattern in recent history. The public's memory and attention span have gotten so short-lived that it's become commonplace for unquestioned "truths" of only a few years ago to become thoroughly discredited, and hardly anyone really cares. The sad truth is, most of the government's supposedly noble crusades, from the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia to the present (still too new for most to question) "War on Terrorism" have ulterior motives and are justified with deceit and appeal to primitive emotions (usually either sympathy or vengeance).
113 posted on 02/11/2002 8:41:31 PM PST by Lchris
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To: Tropoljac, Joan
Communist Memorials
so you agree with the destruction of the Gudovac Memorial ?

Francetica good guy
explain further pluz......

116 posted on 02/12/2002 5:36:25 AM PST by vooch
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To: Tropoljac
Francetic.......I'm not sure what you mean by saying that Francetic is a good guy if your were a anti-communist Croat. please clarify
118 posted on 02/12/2002 6:37:16 AM PST by vooch
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To: Black Jade
Whoa- heavy stuff.
120 posted on 02/12/2002 6:51:56 AM PST by mafree
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