A Plague of Hate Sites

LOL!! Then you better tell the inhabitants of Massachusetts they were wrong then. They REQUIRED a tax on all inhabitants to support the state church. And guess what? It was Constitutional. Several other states also required elected officials to have a belief in God Almighty, even with the 'test' clause in the US Constitution. Guess what? Never challenged and Constitutional. Indians? Don't give me the Indians belief system. The way they were treated by previous generations goes to show how much respect the Founders and their descendants had for their belief systems. And yes, I am partially Cherokee so I know what was done to some of my ancestors

I truly love listening about the 'freedom' the Founders allowed in colonial days. The way you put it they were running from house to house sodomizing each other behind closed doors only to take a moment to do drugs. No, the historical fact shows your attitude to not be in step with what the Founders of this nation believed and did

Perhaps that explains your hysterical posts on this thread.

That's complete garbage. Homosexuals try to ride the coattails of legitimate civil rights movements, doing great damage to them in the process.

Calling me a bigot doesn't make it so.

You know what?.......I could care less about the libertine trick of labelling me a "bigot" because I don't subscribe to your perverted belief system. So what.

Does that include heterosexual sodomy?

I like what John Lithgow as "Dick" on "Third Rock" had to say:
"Why can't we all just not get along?"

He has truly made insensitivity respectable again.

LOL.....I loved "Third Rock". I wish it hadn't been cancelled. Or is it still on? I don't know because I rarely watch NBC anymore; not much "Must see T.V." anymore IMO.

I have been mulling over how to reply with a list in light of Jim Robinson's policy thread about religion. I am of the Wicca faith, therefore I would be happy to give a private reply if you indicate that would suffice, but I am gun shy about that old "denied posting privileges screen" appearing if I look like I am slamming your faith.

Well, I'm not them.........you can say whatever you want to, Free Republic isn't for the faint of heart, that's for sure.

While I can say that I can take whatever you want to throw my way, it is Jim's house, and if you want to send me something, go ahead.

You may send me whatever you wish privately if you want to, that's what I am saying. I won't go crying to the moderator.

homosexuals do not recruit.

You are saying that as a Wiccan? Are there any other marvelous religious beliefs you wish to share?

"At the very least, anti-gay people need to police their own house before they set forth to attack someone else's."

Think ya got that analogy reversed...

Either you've naively bought into the "anti-gay" propaganda machine, OR you are a PC police operative with an agenda of your own.

It is the gay moderates and extremists whose modus operandi is to attack and replace the traditional family values "house" with their own. Perhaps you equate opposing "gay sex" taught in public schools, state-sanctioned "gay marriage, and "special" rights for gays as an "attack"?

However, homosexuals do not recruit.

Some gay activist groups do.
That doesn't mean every homosexual is out to get your kids. Nevertheless, parents have a right to protect their children from sexual predators both gay and straight.

Some heterosexuals "recruit" too. They lure young girls into prostitution for their own pleasure and financial gain. Should we condemn all heterosexuals because a few of them are pimps?

Pedophilia (both hetero and homosexual) is against the law and should be condemned, prosecuted and eradicated. What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms (and with whom) is no one's business but their own.

I could cite APA data, and other source material all day, and it would just make people like you angrier, and become even more combative and deeply enraged.
When your side has a body of empirical data, and objective facts to work with like those who have studied homosexuality and found them not to be mentally ill do, I would be glad to talk.

Every Single Pro-Homosexual Study has been proven to be a fraud. Want some examples?

We were told that 10% of the Population are sodomites.

In 1948, Dr. Alfred Kinsey released a study called Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, claiming that between 10 and 47% of the male population was homosexual. He got his figures from a pool of 5,300 male subject that he represented as your average "Joe College" student. Many of the men who gave him the data, though, actually consisted of sex offenders, prisoners, pimps, hold-up men, thieves, male prostitutes and other criminals, and hundreds of gay activists. The 10% figure was widely circulated by Harry Hay, the father of the homosexual "civil rights" movement, urging that homosexuality be seen no longer as an act of sodomy but as a 10% minority class. Kinsey's figures were exposed as completely false immediately afterwards, and by many other scientists since. The actual figure is closer to 2-3%. But the 10% number has been so often reported in the press that most people think it's valid. It's not.

We are told that Sodomite kids commit suicide more than heterosexual kids, this is used to put guilt on heterosexuals and paint them as monsters who cause sodomite kids to commit suicide. But we find out that this is another myth promoted by the sodomites to advance their agenda.

Gay teens less suicidal than thought, report says

By Marilyn Elias, USA TODAY

Gay and lesbian teenagers are only slightly more likely than heterosexual kids to attempt suicide, contrary to past studies that suggest gay youths have about triple the rate of trying suicide, says a Cornell University psychologist in a controversial report due next month.

Studies finding that about 30% of gay adolescents have attempted suicide exaggerated the rates because they surveyed the most disturbed youngsters and didn't separate thoughts from action, says Ritch Savin-Williams. Nearly all research on the topic has drawn teens from support groups or shelters, where the most troubled gather, and has taken at face value the claim of a suicide attempt, he says.

Savin-Williams' own two studies, to appear in The Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, focus on 349 students ages 17 to 25. When they said they had tried to kill themselves, he asked what method they used. He also separated out the small minority that attended support groups. Among key findings:

Over half of reported suicide attempts turned out to be "thinking about it" rather than trying anything.

One study of 83 women showed a true suicide attempt rate of 13% for those who hadn't attended a support group. (Between 7% and 13% of all teens have tried to kill themselves.) For the small minority from support groups, 45% had tried suicide.

The other study of 266 college men and women found that gay youths were not significantly more likely than straight classmates to have tried to take their own lives. Again, the homosexual students were more likely to report "attempts" that further questioning revealed as thoughts.

Lets look at your APA declassification of Homosexuality as a mental illness.

An even more important question, though, is if homosexuality constitutes pathological behavior. Is it an illness? Gay rights groups continually assert that homosexuals are as "normal" as heterosexuals, that homosexuality is not an illness or psychological disorder. For example, Peri Jude Radecic, a member of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF), asserted on the ABC news show Nightline: "Homosexuality is not an illness, it is not something that needs to be cured. We are normal, natural and healthy people."14

Moreover, these groups universally contend that all competent psychiatrists and psychologists are in agreement on this. As proof of this, the American Psychiatric Association's (APA) 1973 declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder is always cited.

Before examining the contention that all competent psychiatrists and psychologists agree that homosexuality is normal and healthy, we need to look at the APA's 1973 decision for a moment. For 23 years homosexuality had been listed as a mental disorder by the APA. Why was it decided, at that particular point in time, that it was not pathological?

I do not have the space to go into a detailed analysis of the history leading up to the APA's decision.15 Nonetheless, it is a misconception to think that this came about only after dispassionate and scholarly discussion, and only after listening equally to all sides of the issue. Also, it is important to note that the APA's vote was anything but unanimous.

In the three years leading up to the 1973 APA meeting, the previous national meetings had been repeatedly disrupted by gay activists. At the 1970 meeting in San Francisco certain sessions were broken up with shouts and jeers, prohibiting any rational discussion or debate.

At the APA's 1971 meeting in Washington, threats and intimidation accomplished what discussion could not. Ronald Bayer, in a work sympathetic toward homosexuality and the gay rights movement, recounts: "Using forged credentials, gay activists gained access to the exhibit area and, coming across a display marketing aversive conditioning [i.e., punishing an organism whenever it makes a particular response] techniques for the treatment of homosexuals, demanded its removal. Threats were made against the exhibitor, who was told that unless his booth was dismantled, it would be torn down. After frantic behind-the-scenes consultations, and in an effort to avoid violence, the convention leadership agreed to have the booth removed."16

These tactics continued in the same manner at the APA's 1972 national meeting. It was against this backdrop that the association's trustees finally made its controversial 1973 decision. When a referendum on this was sent out to all 25,000 APA members, only a quarter of them returned their ballots. The final tally was 58 percent favoring the removal of homosexuality from their list of disorders.

Four years later, Dr. Charles Socarides — who was at the meetings and was an expert in the area of homosexuality, having treated homosexuals for more than twenty years — described the political atmosphere leading up to the 1973 vote. He writes that during this time, "militant homosexual groups continued to attack any psychiatrist or psychoanalyst who dared to present his findings as to the psychopathology [i.e., the study of mental disorders from all aspects] of homosexuality before national or local meetings of psychiatrists or in public forums."17 Elsewhere Socarides stated that the decision of the APA trustees was "the medical hoax of the century."18

Was this the end of the debate? Did the vast majority of "competent" psychiatrists agree with the APA's decision? In 1977 ten thousand members of the APA were polled at random, asking them their opinion on this. In an article entitled "Sick Again?" Time magazine summarized the results of the poll: "Of those answering, 69% said they believed 'homosexuality is usually a pathological adaptation, as opposed to a normal variation,' 18% disagreed and 13% were uncertain. Similarly, sizable majorities said that homosexuals are generally less happy than heterosexuals (73%) and less capable of mature, loving relationships (60%). A total of 70% said that homosexuals' problems have more to do with their own inner conflicts than with stigmatization by society at large."19

But what about today? Has this issue been resolved in current medical opinion and research? Concerning this, Dr. Stanton L. Jones, professor of psychology at Wheaton College, states that there is a "mixed scorecard" among professionals on this. He writes: "I would not regard homosexuality to be a psychopathology in the same sense as schizophrenia or phobic disorders. But neither can it be viewed as a normal 'lifestyle variation' on a par with being introverted versus extroverted."20

One may debate whether or not homosexuality is a pathological disorder, but it is clear that the APA's 1973 decision cannot be cited as medical consensus that homosexuality is a "normal" condition.

Then we are told that Homosexuals cannot change, after all they are born that way right? NOT!!!!

Those in the gay rights movement, as well as numerous researchers, psychotherapists, and so forth, decry any attempt to change the homosexual's sexual orientation or preference. Rick Notch, a homosexual man who at one time claimed to have become an ex-gay, stated on The Geraldo Show: "The only choice we have is to learn to accept ourselves and to find a way to live a responsible, moral life."28 Dr. Richard Isay, a psychiatrist who heads the APA's committee on gay issues, likewise asserted: "The core orientation in a gay man cannot be changed."29

But even a perfunctory examination of the available testimonies and case studies shows that this simply is not true. First of all, do all of the other psychiatrists and psychologists agree with the assertion that change is not possible? By no means! In fact, most believe that change is possible. William H. Masters and Virginia E. Johnson, hardly homophobes, write in their work Homosexuality in Perspective: "Providing therapeutic support for the homosexually oriented man or woman who wishes to convert or revert to heterosexuality has been an integral part of the practice of psychotherapy for decades."30

Likewise, in the Kinsey Institute New Report on Sex (1990) we find the statement that "sexual orientation, whether heterosexual or homosexual, is not readily changed by any type of intervention" (emphasis added).31 Thus, while it is not easy, changing one's sexual orientation is nonetheless possible — which could not be the case if homosexuality was innate and immutable.

This was confirmed on a recent segment of ABC's 20/20, which had a story dealing with a Dr. Joseph Nicolosi. Nicolosi is a psychologist and psychotherapist who has been helping homosexual men convert to heterosexuality for a number of years now. 32

I already referred above to the work of Dr. Robert Kronemeyer. If the interested reader pursues this work, he or she will find eight case histories cited — true accounts of people who sought relief from their lives of homosexual bondage (their own description of their lifestyles) and were converted to heterosexuality 33

Another area where we see the fruit of changed lives is in the numerous Christian ministries reaching out to homosexuals desiring help. Space limitations will not allow me to go into great detail. Those interested can find the references in the endnotes.

Are there really changed lives? There is Darlene Bogle, a woman who "struggled with lesbianism" for 17 years.34 She was raised in an environment where she was sexually abused by different men and boys, the first at the age of three. Her parents divorced when she was only five. Her new stepfather frequently abused her, both verbally and physically. In her own words she was raised in "a home that lacked nurturing, that was void of positive role models and void of love."35 Today, through the grace and mercy of God, she has been completely free for 15 years from her former lifestyle and is currently a counselor at Paraklete Ministries in Hayward, California.

There is Frank Worthen, a practicing homosexual for 25 years. In 1973 he turned back to Jesus Christ, who delivered him from that lifestyle. Since then he has remained free, without once falling back into his old secular behavior. Today he and his wife Anita are missionaries in the Philippines with Exodus International.36

There is Andrew Comiskey, a former homosexual who is now the director of Desert Stream Ministries.37 There is Joanne Highley, a lesbian from the ages of 13 to 23, who has now been freed from that lifestyle for the past 35 years. She has been married to the same man during those 35 years, is a mother and grandmother, and City.38

Are there really changed lives, people who were exclusively homosexual and became heterosexual? Yes. Have there not been those who have fallen back into their old lifestyles? Again, the answer is yes, which is to be expected. Just like in Alcoholics Anonymous, the road is rarely easy and involves a tremendous commitment by the individual seeking recovery and healing. Sometimes individuals stumble and never get back up again. Sometimes they stumble, get back up, and continue on in the process of recovery. And occasionally, individuals are healed instantly and never turn back again. But the fact remains that there are many former homosexuals, ex-gays, who have been transformed by the power of Jesus Christ.

Then we are told that Homosexuality is a "Healthy Lifestyle"

(1) Promiscuity. If one agrees with the assertion that being promiscuous is not healthy, from either an emotional or physical standpoint, then homosexuality as typically practiced must be termed extremely unhealthy. Homosexualities, an official publication of The Institute for Sex Research founded by Alfred Kinsey, Alan Bell, and Martin Weinberg, reported that only ten percent of male homosexuals could be termed as "relatively monogamous" or "relatively less promiscuous." Additional findings showed that 60 percent of male homosexuals had more than 250 lifetime sexual partners, and 28 percent of male homosexuals had more than 1,000 lifetime sexual partners. Another startling fact is that 79 percent admitted that more than half of their sexual partners were strangers.39

Just a few years after the publication of this report, Dr. William Foege, the director of the Centers for Disease Control, stated: "The average AIDS victim has had 60 different sexual partners in the past twelve months."40 In contrast with this, "the average heterosexual male has — throughout his life — from five to nine sex partners."41

What about lesbian relationships? Are homosexual women less promiscuous than homosexual men? While less research has been done on lesbians, the data shows that they are much more monogamous than homosexual men. However, their relationships are still not very secure. Yvonne Zipter, a lesbian writing in Chicago's gay journal Windy City Times, in an article entitled "The Disposable Lesbian Relationship," notes that the "lasting lesbian relationship" is a "mythic entity."42

(2) Sexual Practices. A second item that cannot be avoided in a discussion of the health aspects of homosexuality is the actual sexual practices of homosexuals. Are these healthy? Once again, the vast preponderance of medical evidence is resoundingly negative.

Many different medical sources document the physical aberrancy of homosexual sexual practices. The following information comes from an article entitled "Medical Perspective of the Homosexual Issue." It was written by Dr. Bernard J. Klamecki, a proctologist (rectal specialist) for more than 30 years.

Dr. Klamecki states in this article that when he began his medical practice in 1960, only one percent of his patients were homosexuals. By 1988 this number had grown to 25 percent of his patients, the majority being referred by a local gay free clinic. The following material comes from one who is known and respected by the homosexual community, a medical professional who has care and compassion for all his patients and who donates a good deal of his time to their service.

"I know well the medical and surgical pathology directly related to the sexual practices typical of active homosexuals, particularly anal intercourse (sodomy) and oral intercourse (fellatio)....

Sexual practices typical of homosexuals can affect the oral cavities, lungs, penis, prostate, bladder, anus, perianal areas outside of the rectum, rectum, colon, vagina, uterus, pelvic area, brain, skin, blood, immune system, and other body systems.... While none of the following practices is unique to homosexuals, they are nonetheless typical....

Most common is anal intercourse (sodomy)....Foreign objects are often used in order to produce a different erotic sensation or to instigate a more violent sexual activity (sadomasochism). Objects that I have removed from the rectum and lower bowel include corn cobs, light bulbs, vibrators, soda bottles, and varied wooden sticks.

"Fisting" is when a fisted hand is inserted into the rectum, sometimes as far as the elbow, which produces varied sexually exciting sensations, strongly linking eroticism with pain....

Oral intercourse (fellatio) is when the tongue is used to lick or tickle the outlet of the rectum for sexual excitement, arousing, or foreplay. Needless to say, bacteria may contaminate and infect the mouth. One other sexual practice is "Water Sports," in which urinating into the mouth or rectum is used as a sexual stimulant.

Physical damage to the rectum may occur because of some of these practices....There is an antinatural activity being performed when the rectum is the recipient of a penis or foreign object. Because of this activity, cracking of the tissue (fissuring), open sores (ulcers), boils (abscesses), and other infections can occur in the skin of the surrounding tissues....

Persistent anal-rectal sexual activity can lead to various pre-cancerous lesions such as Bowen's disease and Kaposi's sarcoma. Whenever tissues are traumatized, cracked, or abraded, they are vulnerable to bacterial infection.43"

Dr. Klamecki then continues, discussing the various bacterial diseases and viral diseases he regularly encounters with his homosexual patients — the most prominent being AIDS (the current figure is that 70 percent of Americans with AIDS are male homosexuals or bisexuals). In addition, he asserts that up to 86 percent of homosexual males use various drugs to enhance and increase their sexual stimulation.44

Is the homosexual lifestyle a healthy one? The information presented above just scratches the surface showing the pathological nature of these sexual practices. Much more could be shared (e.g., the homosexual is three times more suicidal than the heterosexual; a recent study shows the life expectancy of homosexual men and women without AIDS being about 33 years shorter than that of the heterosexual; and so forth),45 but space will not permit it. I believe that any unbiased reader would have to admit that homosexuality is neither a healthy lifestyle nor a natural one.

1 The quotations are from members of the studio audience on The Geraldo Show, "Can Gays and Lesbians Go Straight?" 11 June 1991. 2 James D. Mallory, "Homosexuality: Part III — A Psychiatrist's View," Christian Life, October 1977, 28. 3 June M. Reinisch, dir., The Kinsey Institute New Report on Sex (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1990), 147. 4 Family Research Report (Family Research Institute, Washington, D.C.), 1. 5 Teen Connection, "Sexual Orientation" (Wisconsin Public Television), 19 May 1992. 6 Alfred C. Kinsey, et al., Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (Philadelphia: Saunders Company, 1948). 7 See Abraham Maslow and James M. Sakoda, "Volunteer Error in the Kinsey Study," Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology 47 (April 1952), 259-62. 8 "The Ten Percent Solution, Part II," Peninsula 3:2 (October/November 1991), 7. Also see Judith A. Reisman and Edward W. Eichol, Kinsey, Sex and Fraud (Lafayette, LA: Huntington House Publishers, 1990), 23. 9 Kinsey, et. al., 216. 10 Maslow and Sakoda, 259-62. 11 Reinisch, 140. 12 Reisman and Eichol, 194. 13 lbid., 195. 14 Nightline, ABC News, 30 August 1991. 15 For those interested in the history leading up to the APA's 1973 removal of homosexuality from their Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychiatric Disorders, see Ronald Bayer, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis (New York: Basic Books, 1981), 101-54; William Dannemeyer, Shadow in the Land (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1989), 24-39. 16 Bayer, 105-6. 17 Charles W. Socarides, Beyond Sexual Freedom (New York: Quadrangle Books, 1977), 87. Prior to the 1973 vote Dr. Socarides led the APA's task force studying homosexuality, which issued a report unanimously declaring homosexuality to be a disorder of psychosexual development. This report, considered to be too politically inflammatory, was shelved, only later being published as a "study group" report in 1974. 18 Charles W. Socarides in Robert Kronemeyer, Overcoming Homosexuality (New York: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1980), 5. 19 "Sick Again? Psychiatrists Vote on Gays," Time, 20 February 1978, 102. 20 Stanton L. Jones, "Homosexuality According to Science," in J. Isamu Yamamoto, ed., The Crisis of Homosexuality (Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1990), 107. 21 Dannemeyer, 40-41. 22 Charlene Crabb, "Are Some Men Born to Be Homosexual?" U. S. News & World Report, 9 September 1991, 58. 23 David Gelman, et al., "Born or Bred?" Newsweek, 24 February 1992, 48. 24 Simon LeVay on The Phil Donahue Show, "Genetically Gay: Born Gay or Become Gay?" 3 January 1992. 25 William H. Masters, Virginia E. Brown, and Robert Kolodny, Human Sexuality (Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1982), 319. 26 Kronemeyer, 7. 27 Kim Painter, "A Biological Theory for Sexual Preference," USA Today, 1 January 1989, 4D. Also, see Alan P. Bell, et al., Sexual Preference (Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 1981), 221. While not believing that biology determines sexual preference, neither do they believe that the parents somehow caused it. Instead, they believe there is a causal relationship in children having early "gender identity" problems and their becoming homosexual. 28 Rick Notch, The Geraldo Show, 11 June 1991. 29 Richard Isay, quoted on 20/20, ABC News, 24 April 1992. 30 William H. Masters and Virginia E. Johnson, Homosexuality in Perspective (Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1979), 333. Also, after a ten-year study of homosexuality they found that those desiring "conversion" to heterosexuality had only a 21 percent failure rate (p. 396). However, after making certain adjustments the conversion failure rate could be as high as 45 percent. 31 Reinisch, 143. 32 20/20, ABC News, 24 April 1992. 33 Kronemeyer, 141-67. 34 Darlene Bogle, "Healing from Lesbianism," in Yamamoto, 15. 35 lbid., 17. 36 Bob Davies, "The Exodus Story: The Growth of Ex-gay Ministry," in Yamamoto, 47-59. Also, see Kent Philpott, The Gay Theology (Plainfield, NJ: Logos International, 1977), 20-37. 37 Andrew Comiskey, Pursuing Sexual Wholeness: How Jesus Heals the Homosexual (Lake Mary, FL: Creation House, 1989). 38 Joanne Highley, L.I.F.E. Ministries, P.O. Box 353, New York, NY 10185. 39 Alan P. Bell and Martin S. Weinberg, Homosexualities (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), 308. 40 Walter Isaacson, "Hunting for the Hidden Killers ," Time, 4 July 1983, 51. 41 Kronemeyer, 32. 42 Yvonne Zipter, "The Disposable Lesbian Relationship," Windy City Times (Chicago), 25 December 1986, 18. 43 Bernard J. Klamecki, "Medical Perspective of the Homosexual Issue," in Yamamoto, 116-17. 44 lbid., 123, 119. 45 Paul Cameron, William L. Playfair, and Stephen Wellum, "The Homosexual Lifespan." Family Research Institute, 14 February 1992.

I have much much more. I will post more later.

Bump!

Amazing, baiting me with nematodes. Actually my dear sir, homophobia is a parasitic entity nurtured by hate.

Not only is hatred directed against homosexuals, the label itself is used to paint targets. Which is precisely why I mentioned my experiences with a fellow student. He was emulating adults he knew who attacked homosexuals and used the label inappropriately against straight people they hated. What he suffered from he got from somewhere.

People used to call equal rights for Negroes as a liberal game much as you use that label to paint me as a target. Have you no shame? Is there no level you won’t descend to try to anger and bait someone with the audacity to disagree with you?

I became free from effects of his actions against me when I developed the insight of how he was the victim of an abuser; an adult homophobic individual who was his mentor and teacher. I took care of him by forgiving him.

As Paul Harvey puts it, “And that’s the rest of the story. Thanks greatly for playing the straight man (no pun intended) like a good chap. I appreciate you helping me get my point across. ;-)

Homophobia defined: Men smearing each other with excrement, and anyone who says that is wrong is labeled as 'homophobic.' Thus the moral-liberals try to ascribe an implied mental illness to God, too.

Yup! I just have the broadly framed verbiage of the U.S. Constitution and centuries of case law backing my point up, that's all.

Religious freedom is a great thing. And Islam that is a long time faith is protected under the auspices of this Constitutional guarantee, as are those that still practice Native American religiosity.

On a wild-fire at the Yakama Indian Reservation I thanked an elder for the Seven Drums ceremony they had held in our honor. He simply stated, "A hundred years ago, we were hung for doing this. I am glad we have gotten rid of the abomination of the religious intolerance that Manifest Destiny once compelled people too follow. I am glad those Yakamas are free again to keep their religion as part of their culture.

There are too many people that care about the U.S. Constitution to let anything like that old inappropriate unconstitutional behavior from manifesting itself in the United States again. We understand the Constitution is there to protect small groups against the whims and caprice of larger, more powerful groups, not the other way around as you would have us believe.

"Homophobia defined: Men smearing each other with excrement, and anyone who says that is wrong is labeled as 'homophobic.' Thus the moral-liberals try to ascribe an implied mental illness to God, too."

Not every hetrosexual sodomizes their partner, only some do. Not every homosexual engages in sodomy either. But the imagery involked by those words aare powerful weapons used to cloud fact with emotion.

There is nothing very Godly or accurate about this sort of retorical gambit.

With all of the moral-liberal mass media, the entertainment industries, the schools, and the universities proselytising how wonderful homosexuality is, perhaps you would be happier somewhere else. The purpose of FreeRepublic is not to preach the liberalism and whiney victim politics of pervert bank managers and jaded landlords.

I don't intend to write a term paper on the flaws I see to your long carefully crafted post. I am not an activist in this field, and I was quite satisfied reading Scott Lively's book, "The Pink Swastika" and papers by scholars debunking it.

One thing I note in reading your piece, homosexuals are not the only group of people that manifest self-destructive behaviors out of hatred directed their way. I submit that if people who hate gays and lesbians did not target this particular scapegoat of theirs, many problematic factors such as promiscuity would not be there.

I see the game of working to prevent long-term relationships between homosexuals with the fight to prevent domestic contracts between two people, then turning around and saying, "Look! see how promiscuous these people are," is disingenuous an argument.

The what came first, the chicken or the egg aspect of using behavior derived from the very hatred causing it is something you would have a hard time pinning down. Much as you in fact cannot remove the credibility of careful studies by groups like the APA that are still credible and accepted by the mental health profession.

Lon Mabon and the Oregon Citizen's Alliance, a group Mr. Lively belongs to - or at least did - has been exposed as a group pandering to the use of hatred for homosexuals for the purpose of gaining political power.

At the beginning, they were a force to be reckoned with, but as the light of day hit them, political support, membership, and contributions have eroded to the point the group is a dust mote on anyone's radar screen in Oregon.

I watched how this one ringed circus self-destructed itself over the years in Oregon by cultivating this, their favorite scapegoat and hatred towards it. that demonstration is much more compelling to me then Mr. Lively's book, or your post on this topic.

I am preaching nothing. I merely give my opinion on the Constitution in regards to religion, and personal opinions regarding something my religion does not consider a sin. In fact, sin is not a concept endemic to Wicca.

As far as "how wonderful homosexuality is," I have no interest in making that pitch. As I said, it is an aspect of human sexuality no better or worse then any other aspect.

I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers in exchanging views. That is never my intention. As I stated earlier, folks like you have a right to your opinions.

Frankly, I have wanted to move on to read other things of greater interest then this to me, but I wished to show enough respect to you and others to answer your posts directed at me.