[Arkle]

I don't think we're going to agree on this, but this thread is probably not the best place to discuss it. I'm sure we'll run across each other again on a Euro-bashing thread. See you there.

[Cacique]

I have been here for quite some time and rarely will you see me Euro bashing. Not my intention to bash Europeans. I have enough on my hands bashing liberal morons here as it is.

I think the problem is one of defensiveness when some structural and political problems are pointed out.

I have no time for debates involving someones nationalist defensiveness and ego. I would rather engage in constructive criticism. I also understand the emotional and sentimental attachment that some people have for the monarchy. I'd rather work on logic. I have as much patience with Democrats and Republicans who defend illogical positions more on emotional and sentimentalist grounds than on common sense.

Deabate is good when we can clear out all the smoke and see that there is a problem of political correctness both in this country and more prevalently in Europe. The world abounds in hypocrisy and illogic.

The fact of the matter is that the West is on the ascendancy and it does no good to pretend and live on past glories. That approach will only let us follow in the footsteps of Rome.

History has no telerance for cultures that lose cultural and technological wars and the two are intertwined. The West either wakes up to that fact or they can try to prove to the rest of the world how tolerant they are of diversity and how they will bend over backwards to be tolerant of the barbarians.

The fact is that a demographic time bomb is ticking both here and in Europe where non-western people who do not share Western values will become a majority by the end of the century. It relates to both cultural and technological development as both are dependent on the nature of Western civilization.

Living in the past with nostalgic memories and hoping the problem will go away is not any way that the problem will get solved.

[Cacique]

I have been here for quite some time and rarely will you see me Euro bashing. Not my intention to bash Europeans. I have enough on my hands bashing liberal morons here as it is.

I think the problem is one of defensiveness when some structural and political problems are pointed out.

I have no time for debates involving someones nationalist defensiveness and ego. I would rather engage in constructive criticism. I also understand the emotional and sentimental attachment that some people have for the monarchy. I'd rather work on logic. I have as much patience with Democrats and Republicans who defend illogical positions more on emotional and sentimentalist grounds than on common sense.

Deabate is good when we can clear out all the smoke and see that there is a problem of political correctness both in this country and more prevalently in Europe. The world abounds in hypocrisy and illogic.

The fact of the matter is that the West is on the ascendancy and it does no good to pretend and live on past glories. That approach will only let us follow in the footsteps of Rome.

History has no telerance for cultures that lose cultural and technological wars and the two are intertwined. The West either wakes up to that fact or they can try to prove to the rest of the world how tolerant they are of diversity and how they will bend over backwards to be tolerant of the barbarians.

The fact is that a demographic time bomb is ticking both here and in Europe where non-western people who do not share Western values will become a majority by the end of the century. It relates to both cultural and technological development as both are dependent on the nature of Western civilization.

Living in the past with nostalgic memories and hoping the problem will go away is not any way that the problem will get solved.