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To: Cacique
I don't see where "other" people afforded these parasites anything. Thery took it upon themselves and imposed it on others by force of arms. The people being the sheep that they are adopted the system in the name of "tradition".

You are wrong. The citizens of Britain elect members to their legislatures, who vote the budget for the royal family. (Force was last involved by Cromwell, more than 350 years ago, to take power AWAY from the crown, NOT to give it to the crown).

People are free to be "sheep." Reference to others as "sheep" implies YOU fancy yourself to be superior, to the mere "sheep" in the midst. Unless you have a better idea, one man one vote, including sheep-people-voters. Are you the self-appointed "high-judge" of which "traditions" the "sheep people" ought to be permitted to retain and practice? Who appointed you?

121 posted on 02/09/2002 11:24:43 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
Prior to Cromwel and well back in Brittish history you must concede that Royalty ruled by force of arms and simply the fact they had a monopoly on the ability to compel their subjects to obedience. At some point legitimacy becomes a matter of "tradition" passed on through generations.

Let us assume for a moment that the Brittish government rules through the concent of the governed as you seem to claim. I will grant that. The fact that a populace of a society excercises that right to make rather questionable decisions does not mean that those decisions are right ones. Hitler, was after all, elected in a parlaimentary system with a plurality of almost 44% of the German voters.

The fact that a population votes one way or another does not mean that they make the right decision all the time. We did after all, elect that louse Clinton by pluralities twice and in a democratic system we had to live with that mistake.

The fact that the Brittish people continue to vote subsidies or more precisely "welfare" payments to a family simply due to the fact that they are descended from a family that traces back it's history to a time of divine rule etc.. Does not mean that such a decision is by objectivity and fairness a correct one.

As to the fact that I consider myself superior to those who are less inteligent. Well, in the Darwinian state of evolution some of us fare better in some areas than others. I must however, admit that as far as physical appearance others outrank me. We can't be all lucky in all things. Equality is NOT a fact of life and unfortunately most people do not have the inteligence or common sense to be able to resist manipulation.

I am not a cultural equivalence fan however, and some cultures are vastly superior to others during certain times in history. Not all cultures and civilizations are equal and only those that "evolve" have any lasting value.

With respect to Europe there are some very significant differences between the US and Europe. We tend to be more tolerant of non-comformity, we actually thrive on it. Europe is the opposite, being homogenous societies the pressures to comformity are everywhere and that depresses radical free thinking.

With regards to rights. Americans believe philosophically that our rights are "inalienable" natural and "God" given. The state cannot under any circumstance limit or take those rights away, at least in theory.

The European tradition, having evolved from an aristocratic tradition, it is the sovereign and state that grants rights and can take them away. Thus Europeans see nothing wrong with a government limiting individual rights as long as they elected those who take those rights away.

There are countless other differences but that would take an entire thread to elucidate.

People are free to be "sheep." True enough and they are still sheep even if they are free to be so.

126 posted on 02/09/2002 12:05:26 PM PST by Cacique
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