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Princess Margaret Dies
BBC.com ^ | Saturday, 9 February, 2002, 08:56 GMT | staff

Posted on 02/09/2002 12:14:34 AM PST by badfreeper

Princess Margaret, the younger sister of Queen Elizabeth II, has died "peacefully in her sleep" at the age of 71. In a statement Buckingham Palace said: "The Queen, with great sadness, has asked for the following announcement to be made immediately.

"Her beloved sister, Princess Margaret, died peacefully in her sleep this morning at 6.30am in the King Edward VII Hospital."

Her children Lord Linley and Lady Sarah Chatto were at her side at the London hospital.

Princess Margaret, who has suffered several strokes in recent years, suffered a further stroke on Friday afternoon.

She developed cardiac problems during the night and was taken from Kensington Palace to the hospital at 0230GMT.

She was born Margaret Rose on 21 August, 1930, at Glamis Castle in Scotland, the ancestral home of her mother's family.

Margaret was last seen in public before Christmas at Princess Alice, the Dowager Duchess of Gloucester's 100th birthday party.

She was confined to a wheelchair and wore heavy dark glasses, her sight having been affected by a stroke. Margaret's face also appeared puffy, understood to be the effects of medication.

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To: Edmund Burke
Lincoln preserved the Union.

As for Clinton, well he was elected by pluralities. Partly due to the fact that some "conservative" purists stayed away from the polls and did not give the opposing candidate enough votes to win. That having been said, we can at least take comfort that under our system we can at least remove the bastards after four years by going out and voting and that we have a system of checks and balances where we can inhibit any radical changes the excutive branch may try to impose, imperfect as it is.

Be glad ours is not a majoritarian parliamentary system where Tony Blair was "elected" with 42% of the popular vote and where he controls the legislative branch of government as well.

101 posted on 02/09/2002 9:57:44 AM PST by Cacique
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To: Chemist_Geek
Princess Margaret certainly was the first really colorful member of the Royal Family.

The real worry now for the Queen is the health of her mother, the Queen Mum. It was said on the news today that the Queen Mum had vowed not to die before the conclusion of the celebration of her daughter's 50th year on the throne. The Queen Mum is said to be in delicate health too and at 101 that is not suprising. I hope the ol gal lasts a good bit longer. I am not wild about the Royal Family. I find it interesting in terms of family dynamics. But any real respect for that lot I lost because of the treatment of Princess Diana. But that is a whole nuther story. Still, sympathy to the Queen..they are people and it is a family member.

One thing Princess Margaret must have done well and that is as a mother. I can't recall ever hearing any scandals about her son and daughter. Someone, despite her high life, did something right!

102 posted on 02/09/2002 10:02:17 AM PST by celtic gal
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To: Cacique
royal family of England are the biggest welfare recipients on the planet living off the labor of the productive classes

Actually, thanks to the crown estates ,the royal family is run at a profit for the british people.

103 posted on 02/09/2002 10:08:47 AM PST by dfc62
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To: Cacique
"They produce absolutely nothing nor contribute anything to civilization. Further proof that Europeans still have a long way to go before they join the modern world."

They do contribute to the tourism of the country.

104 posted on 02/09/2002 10:08:50 AM PST by joathome
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To: Cacique
The European "democracies" with their majoritarian parliamentary systems succumb to tyrannical majorities since the same parties control both the legislative and executive branches and there are no checks and balances.

The constitutional monarchy is one of those checks and balances, and a bulwark against the kind of elective tyranny you describe.

Throughout most of the 20th century the European contribution to technology, music, art etc. has been marginal at best

This extraordinary remark which could only be made by someone who is entirely ignorant of all three of these fields.

I don't see where "other" people afforded these parasites anything. Thery took it upon themselves and imposed it on others by force of arms.

Actually, the ancestors of our current royal family were invited over to England by Parliament in 1688, as an alternative to the Stuarts.

As for an American nobility, I simply don't see it

It may have escaped your notice, but your last presidential election was between the son of an ex-president and the son of a powerful senator. The hereditary principle is like a cockroach - you can try to kill it, but it keeps popping up again.

105 posted on 02/09/2002 10:09:47 AM PST by Arkle
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To: joathome
They do contribute to the tourism of the country.

There are plenty of things to see in merry olde England besides an old bag with a crown on her head.

106 posted on 02/09/2002 10:11:32 AM PST by Cacique
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To: strela
"God, I miss that sauce the Brits eat with their eggs instead of catsup. It beats Heinz 57 six ways from Sunday)."

But I don't miss the soggy, limp bacon!

107 posted on 02/09/2002 10:12:28 AM PST by joathome
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To: Arkle
This extraordinary remark which could only be made by someone who is entirely ignorant of all three of these fields.

after the 1930's, name one major technological development that originated in Europe. Consider all of our present technology and think of which was NOT originally developed in the United States.

108 posted on 02/09/2002 10:15:01 AM PST by Cacique
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To: Arkle
It may have escaped your notice, but your last presidential election was between the son of an ex-president and the son of a powerful senator. The hereditary principle is like a cockroach - you can try to kill it, but it keeps popping up again.

Just not the same, those two individuals had some connections on their side. But heredetary?

Granted some people from some families may have prominence, but using your argument we would have had more than one Jefferson as president.

What prominent families did Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Carter and Clinton come from? Sorry I don't buy the heredetary principle. I also don't see any future Nixons or Reagans running for president. You're comparing apples and oranges, the similarities are superficial at best.

109 posted on 02/09/2002 10:20:47 AM PST by Cacique
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To: Huck
I guess it's my American upbringing, but I can't help thinking anyone hanging on to royal title should be ashamed of themselves.
Once long ago I had a job at a convention of bilingual educrats, helping get them registered.  I was busy typing and printing up the name-badges, and I can assure you they were all very particular (and not ashamed) about having their titles there on their badges.  Also, you don't have to read too far back in history about the royal folks to find out that quite often having a royal title was a royal pain in the _____ (fill in whatever area of the anatomy sounds right) not to mention dangerous for keeping the head attached to the neck.

110 posted on 02/09/2002 10:25:04 AM PST by Texas Gal
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To: Cacique
Well, just off the top of my head, how about the first stored program computer, or the discovery of the structure of DNA? The jet engine? The helicopter? Antibiotics? The first satellite in space? The first man in space? The compact disc? Test-tube babies? Controlled nuclear fusion? Shall I go on? We don't live in mud huts, you know.
111 posted on 02/09/2002 10:29:04 AM PST by Arkle
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To: Arkle
I did ask since the 1930's, Europe was still comptetetive then.

first stored program computer yes in the early days Europe contributed quite a bit, since the 1940's practically nada and they are still playing catchup. Computers have become practically an American monopoly. Though regretably we no longewr build them here, just design them.

the discovery of the structure of DNA? 50 50 on that one, James Watson was an American studying in Cambridge at the time.

The jet engine? The Ramjet UK 1930's, I'll grant you that one and the Germans flew the first operational one the ME 262. What have you done with it since then ?

The helicopter? Igor Sikorsky (US) (born in Russia) 1931.

Antibiotics? Though Flemming discovered pennicilin most antibiotics since then have been developed by American pharmaceutical companies.

The first satellite in space? The first man in space? Robert Goddard (US) is considered the father of modern rocketry from which all work on modern rockets emanated.

The compact disc? I will grant Philips of Netherlands that, but they haven't done much since that contribution.

Test-tube babies? OK we'll grant you that one.

Controlled nuclear fusion? Where ? Controled sustainable fusion? Sorry, but blasting hydrogen with a laser doesn't cut it.

112 posted on 02/09/2002 10:53:27 AM PST by Cacique
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To: GoodyBrown
Hi Goody
I agree with you
I don't think Margaret had much happiness
maybe she was too free-spirited to be a royal
her sister Elizabeth was comfortable balancing duty and her personal happiness
but Margaret always seemed to be beating her wings against the cage
Love, Palo
113 posted on 02/09/2002 10:55:08 AM PST by palo verde
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To: Arkle
Just think, though, of the damage to England had the Duke of Windsor not given up the throne for the " woman he loves". Had he remained on the throne, Nazi sympathizer that he was, where would the UK be now?

And let's not forget, that had he stayed on the throne, the fact that he and Wallis never had kids would have landed Elizabeth on the throne anyway. However, her mother would not have been the Queen Mum.

I think the Queen Mum has always had a hatred of Wallis but to blame her for the death of her husband, who died of lung cancer, is really not to acknowledge the truth of what cost him his life. And it is sad that Princess Margaret's heavy smoking cost her her health too. I would bet she smoked out of rebellion. Someone earlier stated it had to be hard to be the "spare". They might be on to something there. Look at what has been going on with the current " spare", Harry.

114 posted on 02/09/2002 10:55:49 AM PST by celtic gal
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To: palo verde
Hi, Palo!

I think you are right, Princess Margaret may have not had much personal happiness. I would further think that she was rebelling in her way at being under the thumb so to speak. Her sister forbade her to marry the man she loved or risk being excommunicated from the family. And just as surly as the Duke of Windsor became persona non grata, she saw the handwriting on the palace walls and knew that would be her fate too if she went against her sister's orders. Some could handle being cast away like that but perhaps Margaret could not. I don't know if I could. So here she was..and she married later and had two children and by all accounts she did a fine job raising them. I can't recall hearing of her kids being involved in public scandals or misbehaviour. So we need to give her credit for doing a better job of raising her kids than the Queen did...Still it is a sad day for the Windsor family.

115 posted on 02/09/2002 11:05:39 AM PST by celtic gal
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To: celtic gal
Had he remained on the throne, Nazi sympathizer that he was, where would the UK be now?

Excellent point. In fact, some conspiracy-minded historians have suggested that the whole Wallis Simpson business was just a convenient pretext to force his abdication, the real reason being his unsavoury political views. You're right about it being unfair for Elizabeth to blame Wallis for her husband's early death, but that is apparently how she feels, and it's something Margaret would have had to take into account when deciding whether or not to follow the same path as her uncle.

116 posted on 02/09/2002 11:10:49 AM PST by Arkle
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To: palo verde
Hi Palo...she went against herself and broke her own heart when she gave up Townshend in favour of royal money and entitlements. She paid a great price, I think...
117 posted on 02/09/2002 11:15:37 AM PST by GoodyBrown
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To: Cacique
The helicopter? Igor Sikorsky (US) (born in Russia) 1931.
Sikorsky didn't get a properly controllable helicopter in the air until 1940.

Focke (germany) had one in 1937.By 1940 the germans had a 6 seater in operation.

118 posted on 02/09/2002 11:16:19 AM PST by dfc62
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To: dfc62
He did file the first patent in 1931 though.
119 posted on 02/09/2002 11:21:53 AM PST by Cacique
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To: celtic gal
hi celtic gal
nice to see you
I guess I am the only one who saw Princess Di the other way
I don't believe she loved her husband, and I don't think she treated him well
I always felt she used PR effectively to change the story
I thought she was in a power struggle with the Queen
However the family had a loving girl like Fergie in their midst, and treated her badly
I agree with the posters who see the monarchy as unwholesome cause it keeps the class structure in place
We are fortunate not to have it in USA
Love, Palo
120 posted on 02/09/2002 11:24:40 AM PST by palo verde
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