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How Citigroup Hedged Bets Against Enron
New York Times ^ | Friday, February 8, 2002 | By DANIEL ALTMAN

Posted on 02/08/2002 2:08:48 AM PST by JohnHuang2

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1 posted on 02/08/2002 2:08:48 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Citigroup Hedged Bets Against Enron

What did Citigroup know in August 2000, and when they they know it?

Does Citigroup hedge all their loans?

Now those investors are left to fight for repayment in bankruptcy proceedings.

It looks like the investors gets scammed a second time because of Enron.

2 posted on 02/08/2002 2:56:10 AM PST by chainsaw
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Credit-linked derivative securities? Do the DUMBocrats think that the average American has ANY understanding of what these are? This is going to cause the biggest SNORE across America, and the backlash is going to swamp the RATs.
3 posted on 02/08/2002 3:02:20 AM PST by rebel_yell2
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This is going to cause the biggest SNORE across America

Already is..outside the beltway, people aren't getting all worked up about Enron. They're sick and tired of hearing about, actually.

4 posted on 02/08/2002 3:07:22 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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With the next chess move in the war on terror, Enron will be history.
5 posted on 02/08/2002 3:25:58 AM PST by ez
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To: ez
Enron will be history.

A footnote, indeed.

6 posted on 02/08/2002 3:26:54 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2, Miss Marple
Uh oh, will the hearings get close to Robert Rubin and Citigroup?That bloomberg article reads like clinton-spin.

I can't remember if I read this correctly a couple of weeks ago, but didn't Mr. Rubin call an administration official regarding Enron before it's collapse?

7 posted on 02/08/2002 3:27:55 AM PST by Jodi
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I can't remember if I read this correctly a couple of weeks ago, but didn't Mr. Rubin call an administration official regarding Enron before it's collapse?

ssshhhhhhhh! Yes, but you're not supposed to mention that....;^)

8 posted on 02/08/2002 3:29:37 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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Correctomundo, Jodi. Rubin called an assistant Treasury secretary who was a holdover from Clinton. Fisher, I believe the man's name is.

Mr. Fisher, understanding that no funny business is allowed under O'Neill, and wanting to keep his job, sent Mr. Rubin packing. He then informed Mr. O'Neill about the call.

When you read that Bloomberg puff piece about Rubin, there is some very interesting information buried within it. I am MOST interested in these securities that Citigroup issued. WHY would they do this? I have no knowledge that this has ever been done before. An interesting thing will be if someone did this type of structuring of securities with Global Crossing, and if the author of said structuring also has a Clinton connection.

9 posted on 02/08/2002 3:34:15 AM PST by Miss Marple
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I also find the securities issue interesting. Kinda neat they knew to do that before Enron's stock dropped to 67 cents a share.
10 posted on 02/08/2002 3:43:15 AM PST by Jodi
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To: JohnHuang2
The axis of evil is Enron, Anderson & Citigroup.
11 posted on 02/08/2002 3:49:16 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Miss Marple
This raises a question in my mind. In addition to enabling Enron, could Citibank have been colluding to weaken JP Morgan? Maybe they hoped to acquire Morgan if it became weak enough?
12 posted on 02/08/2002 3:56:55 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: chainsaw
It was obvious from the first days that Robert Rubin had insider information and was going to protect his investment using that information.
13 posted on 02/08/2002 3:58:08 AM PST by OldFriend
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I thought the very same thing. Why did they think Enron was such a big risk? Maybe nothing there, but you never know.
14 posted on 02/08/2002 3:59:28 AM PST by PogySailor
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To: *Enron_List; *GlobalCrossing
Indexing to GC for #9
15 posted on 02/08/2002 4:01:56 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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bump
16 posted on 02/08/2002 4:11:59 AM PST by independentmind
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The thieves who looted the company and decimated the life savings of loyal employees ...

This is a now-familiar formulation, but I question it. These 'loyal employees' were every bit as interested in the 'quick buck' of the 'run-up stock' as the executives. It is now well established that only 11% of the Enron stock held by the 'loyal employees' in their respective 401(k)'s was locked in. The balance was held as a speculation.

What was wrong at Enron -- and indeed is endemic in American business -- is a fixation on the short-term. It is clear that all the executives were making far more -- and were intent on doing so -- from the stock market than from their respective salaries and bonuses.

And I believe these 'loyal employees' shared the executives' interest in finding the 'new sucker' to take their stock positions at every higher (and hyped) prices and shared it with the same rabidity. Did they know how the executives were cooking the books? Most probably did not. Would they have cared as long as it made paper millionaires out of secretaries? Absolutely not. They were infected with the same bug.

The same index funds available to the rest of us to diversity our risks in the market were available to them. The bought the stock speculation ticket and now they get to ride the train. I hope they enjoy the ride. But I don't feel sorry for them. They were every bit as greedy as Skilling, Lay and the others.

Hopefully, that faint rustling sound you hear is thousands and tens of thousands of other such speculators diversifying their portfolios even as we speak.

17 posted on 02/08/2002 4:18:31 AM PST by winstonchurchill
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Didn't this same type of "hedge" scam happen early in season 2 of "The Sopranos"?
18 posted on 02/08/2002 4:18:43 AM PST by WhiteGuy
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To: chainsaw; jodi; johnhuang2; nativenewyorker
What did Citigroup know in August 2000, and when they they know it?

Isn't August 2000 right after Bob Rubin joined Citigroup? And doesn't that bloomberg puff piece says that Rubin's chief function in Citigroup is to point out risks to Sandy Weill?

19 posted on 02/08/2002 4:25:37 AM PST by aristeides
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To: JohnHuang2
Looks like everybody's in on the scheme, except the investors.
20 posted on 02/08/2002 4:26:48 AM PST by Osinski
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