Israel asks America to strike western Iraq first, if it decides to fight Saddam

Ha'aretz Daily ^ | Friday, February 08, 2002 Israel Time: 06:01 | By Amir Oren

[Light Speed]

I agree...watched a program about special forces in the Iraqi western desert..British SAS and U.S...they were very mobile..and did the Lazing ground work for the target package call ins during the Gulf war.
With present capability of Israel and U.S. this will most likely occur again...it is dangerous work though.
One soldier commented that the Iraqi's were bringing the missiles up to the launchers in buses with the seating removed...afterwords..buses were targeting in transit in the western desert when found.
Iraqi's are sneaky...lads will have to be sharp.
A major concern is launches from Syria at Israel...IDF Intel has proof of Iraqi co-oping with Syria..between the two nations..is alot of land to hide scuds.
If Syria can be kept out..Scuds in the Iraqi desert will be picked off quicker than the Gulf war...but If Syria should launch on Israel..it is doubtfull Israel could sit idly by.. things would ramp up quickly with IDF flying strike packages and dropping teams into Syria.
The IDF we know from the past would appear..not the one that sends 2 or 3 tanks in with a few gunship ops in the Westbank
On my part..I hope Syria does get involved....theres some Biblical prophecies I'd like to see fullfilled in my Lifetime!

[codeword]

This is a war on terrorism, not a war on Al Quaeda... got it?

Nope. What's the evidence that Iraq is involved in anti-US terrorism?

[codeword]

Terrorist Groups of Global Reach [TGOGR] will be eliminated from the planet.

Got your tin foil hat on?

[GeronL]

who said it had to be against the US? Iraq is helping to funnel weapons to the Palestinians and they are attacking a US ally and US citizens have been killed.

good enuff reason

[Dinsdale]

Western Iraq is mostly desert. There just ain't much we can do about a few scuds (loaded with anthrax or not). But we can establish complete air superiority and make damn sure anything that gets by us will be no problem for the IAF. Assuming Iraq has nukes they won't be light enough to go on a scud. What if Isreal nukes Bagdad after taking an anthrax hit. Where does that leave us? 'We deplore the loss of life but also understand that Sadam brought this down on himself...'

Isreal and the US has another problem. The Isreali right wing is really far gone and is as convinced god is on their side as Osama was (I suspect he knows better now, once Satan had Osama's virgins reveal their leathery wings and fangs, psych). For now the isreali right wing is a loose cannon. There will be a time and a place.

After we knock down Iraq our 'friends' in Saudi/Kuwait/Egypt will have to deal with their internal issues (we will turn up the heat on occasion). They need to decide which side they are on, controlled pressure on them puts them over a barrel. Too much pressure will make them jump the wrong way too soon. I expect them to ultimatly jump anyhow, but not untill after a bloody set of civil wars.

Think about what happened to the trecherous French. They went through a series of wars starting with Napolian and ending in WWI that left them with no genes for balls (and inches shorter). This is what needs to be arranged for the house of Fahad and others. Before this is done they will be out of oil or oil will be obsolete (I know its a liberal dream but look at the curve for $/watt on photovoltaics, It needs one more halving to be economical. Then the liberals will take back seat to physcal conservatives getting bargin power). The rest of the world can go back to ignoring them.

[america-rules]

"Nope. What's the evidence that Iraq is involved in anti-US terrorism?"

What about the fact that iraq tried to kill Bush I ?

[CommiesOut]

"It is interesting that the effete snobs of Europe who have thousands of excuses for appeasing Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini"

It's coming out slowly but surely who was appeasing whom (yep, British and US dumbasses, the same who think about WWIII):
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[freeasinbeer]

Hmm, lets see...

• Isreal - 110 billion
• Syria - 50 billion
• Jordan - 15 billion
• Iraq - 55 billion
• Lebenon - 20 billion

Looks to me like they have enough money to handle this bunch. We aren't comparing Isreal to Walmart here, we are comparing them to their potential enemies (Jordan ain't one, but they are there for completeness).

There is no way that Egypt makes a move on Isreal, as that would signal their demise.

[Rubber Duckie]

The loyalty of Iraqi pilots to Saddam, and their readiness to die for him, while his regime is crumbling, is not at all the same as that of Japanese kamikaze pilots, who were ready to die for their emperor at the end of World War II.

Actually, it is only a popular myth that the Japanese kamikaze pilots were that dedicated. Most (including a close friend of mine who was training when the war ended) were kids in their mid or late teens, many who had been spared from the draft because they were the most promising of students. They were strapped into planes with just enough fuel to reach the target and told that they would explode if they tried to land. They "volunteered" only for the sake of their families.

The idea of kamikaze pilots actually came from the torpedo 1 squadron of the U.S.S. Hornet during the battle of Midway. They arrived at the target early without benefit of fighter escort. Rather than attempting to break off and escape (which would've been fruitless against the faster Japanese Zeros anyway), they plowed right though and into the ships. While the damage was minimal, the Japanese task force admiral was said to have remarked to his second in command that if this is typical of American courage, Japan had made a grave mistake in attacking Pearl Harbor. Minutes later, the American dive bombers arrived and proceeded to damage 3 of the 4 carriers while the Zeros were concentrated on mopping up torpedo 1.

[dennisw]

|||||||The Pentagon meanwhile is very interested in technologies, weapons systems, and military doctrines developed in Israel over the past few years. In meetings in Washington with top defense officials and representatives of the Israeli defense establishment, led by Defense Ministry Director-General Amos Yaron, and including the head of weapons development and technology infrastructure Maj. Gen. Dr. Yitzhak Ben-Israel, videos were shown demonstrating examples of Israel's policy of "pinpoint targeting" in the territories. The emphasis was on combat helicopter attacks that caused no collateral damage to anything other than the target, even if many civilians were in the area.

American officers, from both the air force and special operations, visited Israel to learn about "pinpoint targeting" from IDF special operations commanders in the territories. Among other things, the Americans wanted to know about long-distance assassinations, along the lines of the operation - to kill Saddam Hussein - that foreign reports said was being rehearsed at the time of the Tze'elim 2 accident. The Americans were offered Israeli assistance in many areas, including inoculations against anthrax.|||||

 

[Aric2000]

Turkey WOULD NOT tell us to get out, they actually have pretty good relations with Israel. If Israel struck back after being attacked, they actually might get help FROM Turkey, in an assault on the borders that it shares with Iraq.

Iraq is a VERY tricky situation, because it could cause harm to 2 of our best allies in that part of the world, Israel, for obvious reasons, and Turkey, because they have a small Kurdish problem that could turn into a BIG one if Iraq is splintered, and they do a lot of trading with Iraq, and that loss to the Turkish economy could be devastating right now.

Turkey would take that if we assure them that A: we will put a new regime in place that will control ALL of Iraq, and B: they will still be able to trade with them afterwards and C: The Kurds would NOT be given land in which to strike Turkey across it's borders.

The rest of your scenario sounds reasonable, but leave Turkey within the western coalition category, because they are NOT going anywhere near the Muslim extremist countries, they want to stay as far away from them as they can get.

[GeronL]

I said probably Turkey. It is a muslim nation and it has a sizable radical population that would cause problems.

But most of our forces would be in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and we know they'd be problems.

[dennisw]

 

But, since Israel is a mono-ethnic theocratic state

That's a lie. Rabbis do not run Israel. In contrast Mullahs run Iran. Typical leftist swill from you.

in the same league as South African it has to suffer the same fate.

In your wet dreams dude! Hahhaha. A typical leftist fantasy. If Israel does go down it will do the world a big favor and take the Arabs out too.

 

 

Israeli soldiers carry the cofin of Arab Israeli soldier Ashraf Hawas during his funeral in the town of Bet Zarziv, January 10, 2002. Hawas was one of four Israeli soldiers killed on Wednesday by two Palestinian gunmen in a raid on a military post in Israel. The attack near Israel's border with the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, in which the gunmen also died, ended a three-week lull which had provided a glimmer of hope that Israel and the Palestinians might implement a truce-to-talks plan. REUTERS/Goran Tomasevic

Sujud, a five-month-old Palestinian baby girl from the Khan Younis refugee camp, awaiting heart surgery at Israels Wolfson hospital on January 30, 2002, in Holon near Tel Aviv, where Israeli doctors and nurses have treated some 140 Palestinian children for congenital heart defect for the Save a Childs Heart charity. REUTERS/Havakuk Levison FOR GENERAL FEATURE LIFE-MIDEAST-HEART

 

 

 

A Palestinian chants slogans against America during a protest in the Gaza Strip, January 27, 2002. U.S. President George W. Bush's harsh criticism of Yasser Arafat drew praise from Israel on Sunday and a call for U.S. sanctions against the besieged Palestinian leader. REUTERS/Suhaib Salem

[dennisw]

Turkey takes over Northern Iraq with it's oil fields and it's Kurds. Turkey makes an arrangement with said Kurds where they get to share oil revenue.

Problem solved.