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The World's Biggest What (Monaghan Crucifix barf alert)
The Michigan Daily ^ | February 5, 2002 | Peter Cunniffe

Posted on 02/05/2002 1:58:35 PM PST by cebadams

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To: cebadams
The amoral hate anyone who believes in G-d.

Even if it were true that Monaghan's purpose was to annoy, irritate, and atagonize with his cross, how different is he with his sculpture (which happens to be a cross) than all the vile, anti-Catholic sculpture and paintings found today in any PUBLIC museum. At least Monaghan is paying for his assault to those who hate his catholicism.

21 posted on 02/05/2002 3:53:56 PM PST by rebdov
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To: cebadams
We must stand up for Mr. Monaghan, who has pledged to "die broke."

I'm something of an arch-Protestant but have admired Mr. Monaghan for many years. He's done a lot of wonderful things for a lot of people.

22 posted on 02/05/2002 4:24:44 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Seruzawa
And I doubt that to Monaghan that 'ol Pete has any more nuisance value than a housefly.

Ol' Pete? I think you meant to say Little Peter.

23 posted on 02/05/2002 4:26:47 PM PST by DallasMike
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Slightly off subject: I have just ordered a copy of, "Christianity On Trial:Arguments Against Anti-Religious Bigotry"
Has anyone read this and can they comment?
24 posted on 02/05/2002 4:35:03 PM PST by scouse
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To: cebadams
WHAT AN ASS!

His disdain drips out of this piece (of crap).

pcunniff@umich.edu
25 posted on 02/05/2002 5:34:18 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Texas_Jarhead
And all this time I thought liberals loved diversity and free speech!!
26 posted on 02/05/2002 5:44:02 PM PST by victim soul
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To: scouse
I have just ordered a copy of, "Christianity On Trial:Arguments Against Anti-Religious Bigotry" Has anyone read this and can they comment?

Alas, I haven't read it, though it has had plenty of local coverage since the editor of a local newspaper co-authored it. I'm a little put-off by readers' comments that it doesn't source its material, and I wonder if FR provides me the same information at a similar cost(at least, at the rate I donate). I hope to skim the book at the library soon.

I did read Robert P. George's _The Clash of Orthodoxies_, which is my style of book. In the process of demolishing the reasoning of "secular orthodoxy," the author makes the rational case for certain Christian political stands, and also provides a stronger foundation for the best of American political principles.

27 posted on 02/05/2002 7:48:15 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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Prior Robert P. George post

Great thinker. What is secular orthodoxy?

28 posted on 02/05/2002 8:00:59 PM PST by cebadams
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To: cebadams
I'm sorry I missed your post on George the first time around. For George, "secular orthodoxy" is more or less based on these few principles:

1) Reason is instrumental; humans use it to get what they want, rather than to figure out what they should want. In Hume's words, "Reason is, and only ought to be, the slave of the passions." This is of course deterministic, and usually relativistic. (Marx subscribed to this view, too)

2) Person/Body dualism. The body is not part of the person, but a tool of the person. Thus, when the "person" decides the body is getting in its way of happiness, the body can be destroyed. For the orthodox secularist, human life is of instrumental, and not intrinsic value. It also allows people to distinguish between a human embryo and a human person, and for that matter a severely-retarded or comatose adult human and a human person.

George also describes the secularist orthodoxy on marriage. Needless to say, he writes how in his view the traditional (and, I would say, conservative) worldview is rationally superior on each topic. These two articles comprise the first chapter of his book:

A Clash of Orthodoxies

A Clash of Orthodoxies: An Exchange (a secular critic of the above article and George's response)

I'll repost these links to your previous George thread, too.

29 posted on 02/05/2002 8:31:15 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: DallasMike
I think you meant to say Little Peter.

LOL! Yes I did.

30 posted on 02/06/2002 9:25:25 AM PST by Seruzawa
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To: cebadams
There was a time when if a devout Catholic had a lot of extra money lying around, or a lot of peasants to force into laboring for him, he would build things that were at least attractive, like cathedrals, that had some ostensibly worship-related purpose.

But being religious and putting up a giant religious icon that towers over everything else in town are two very different things.

Earth to Peter: cathedrals tower over everything else in town, too. Duh.

31 posted on 02/06/2002 9:41:59 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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Here's something I stumbled upon while searching for something else:

Anybody got any 'Avoid the Noid' stuff they want to send me?

32 posted on 03/09/2002 8:23:57 PM PST by real saxophonist
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