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1 posted on 01/31/2002 6:36:44 AM PST by Romulus
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To: veronica; Sabramerican; Lent; BenF
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2 posted on 01/31/2002 6:52:26 AM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Good read.
6 posted on 01/31/2002 7:02:10 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: Romulus
The old man says "Do they [the palestinians/the arabs] have an astonishing instinct that pushes them to the verge of destruction? Indeed not."

That he says it in the question is his real answer. The "Indeed not", is politics. There is an "astonishing instinct", understood in the poetry of Poe, the goth style of some modern young American's, claimed among Formula One drivers, and distilled to cultural essence there in those Arabs who love "self-martyrdom" -- suicide. How wise can the old man be if he continues to ignore it, or rather how attached is he to his intellectual vanities?

8 posted on 01/31/2002 7:19:26 AM PST by bvw
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To: Romulus
Stupid liberal Pali supporter.
16 posted on 01/31/2002 7:57:14 AM PST by weikel
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To: veronica; Sabramerican; classygreeneyedblonde; College repub; knighthawk; Pissed Off Janitor...
Tear the supporters of this liberal a new one.
17 posted on 01/31/2002 7:58:18 AM PST by weikel
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To: Romulus
Meaning Lewis not you.
18 posted on 01/31/2002 8:00:05 AM PST by weikel
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To: Romulus
Interesting interview, especially his observation that we are hated by the masses in those countries whose despotic governments are aligned with us, and loved by the masses in those countries whose despotic governments are opposed to us.

Perhaps the common thread is that the masses recognize that their own governments are a disgrace. We are loved/hated in direct proportion to our perceived relationship with the local oppressors.

Solution? Abandon the "realpolitik" based on the European elite's idea of governmental "interests". Replace it with support for what we know is right, and opposition to what we know is wrong. In other words, make sure the masses in the rest of the world know American stands for something good.

BTW: I realize how far from this we are right now. If we support only those countries trying to do the right thing, we will have lots of people supporting us, but very few governments supporting us (especially in the Arab world). However, the way things are today, I suspect we would still be better off.

21 posted on 01/31/2002 8:04:12 AM PST by EternalHope
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To: Romulus
Good post.

Now there are two options: some feel that the failure stems from abandonment of the earlier traditions, leaving behind the authentic Islamic culture. The two main versions that have stemmed from this feeling are Wahabi Fundamentalism which is disseminated by the Saudis, and the Iranian-Shiite Fundamentalism. The other option, which adherents to the modern hold, says that the failure stems from the Muslims having adopted the shell of western culture and not its deep content, and therefore it is necessary to introduce western values in their full depth. In all of the Muslim world there are people who think that way, but the dictatorships make it difficult for them to express their opinions openly.

Bernard Lewis, in his excellent book, The Arabs in History,  states the problem succinctly(p. 139):
 

     The acceptance of the Greek heritage by Islam gave rise to a struggle between the scientific rationalist tendency of
     the new learning on the one hand, and the atomistic and intuituve quality of Islamic thought on the other. During the
     period of struggle Muslims of both schools created a rich and varied culture, much of which is of permanent
     importance in the history of mankind. The struggle ended in the victory of the more purely Islamic point of view.
     Islam, a religiously conditioned society, rejected values that challenged its fundamental postulates, while accepting
     their results, and even developing them by experiment and observation. Ismailism - the revolution marquee of
     Islam - might have ushered in a full acceptance of Hellenistic values, heralding a humanist renaissance of the
     Western type, overcoming the resistance of the Quaran by the device of esoteric interpretation, of the Shari'a by
     the unbounded discretion of the infallible Imam. But the forces supporting the Ismaili revolution were not strong
     enough, and it failed in the very moment of its greatest success.

24 posted on 01/31/2002 8:46:39 AM PST by Lent
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To: Romulus
Thanks. Terrific article.
26 posted on 01/31/2002 8:55:45 AM PST by Arkle
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To: Romulus; cicero's son; Zviadist
And now, for a wee spot of heresy---an alternative (tin-foil perhaps??) view of "The Sage": (keeping in mind that Zbiggy has repeatedly and publicly bragged about the success of the "Arc Of Crisis" ploy)----

Bernard Lewis, Zbigniew Brzezinski , Muslim Fundamentalist
And The Soviet Union

PROFILE: BERNARD LEWIS

British Svengali Behind Clash Of Civilizations

by Scott Thompson and Jeffrey Steinberg

On Nov. 19, octogenarian British Orientalist spook Bernard Lewis wrote an elaborate apologia for Osama bin Laden, a fervent pitch for the inevitability of the "Clash of Civilizations," in the pages of New Yorker magazine. Under the headline "The Revolt of Islam," Lewis lied that the emergence of "Islamic terrorism" in the recent decades, is completely consistent with mainstream Islam, which is committed to the subjugation of the infidels to Islamic law. He went through 14 pages of a fractured fairy-tale history of Islam, quoting bin Laden's Oct. 7, 2001 videotape, where the Saudi expatriate spoke of Islam's "humiliation and disgrace ... for more than 80 years" - a reference to the crushing of the Ottoman Empire by Britain and France in 1918. Lewis invented a tradition of jihad, "bequeathed to Muslims by the Prophet":

"In principle," Lewis explained, "the world was divided into two houses: the House of Islam, in which a Muslim government ruled and Muslim law prevailed, and the House of War, the rest of the world, still inhabited and, more important, ruled by infidels. Between the two, there was to be a perpetual state of war until the entire world either embraced Islam or submitted to the rule of the Muslim state." Among all the different "infidels" ruling the House of War, Lewis asserted, Christianity was singled out as "their primary rival in the struggle for world domination." Lewis cited slogans painted on the walls of Jerusalem's Dome of the Rock from the Seventh Century, assailing Christianity.

Lewis then claimed that the evolution of modern Islamic terrorism, specifically the al-Qaeda terrorism, had a long proud history within Islam, dating to the Assassins cult of the 11th-13th Centuries. (Lewis wrote a 1967 book, The Assassins, extolling the virtues of this secret society.) He also identified Saudi Arabia and Egypt as two regimes legitimately singled out by the Islamic jihadists, for their corruption by "modernism." He concluded, ominously: "For Osama bin Laden, 2001 marks the resumption of the war for the religious dominance of the world, that began in the Seventh Century.... If bin Laden can persuade the world of Islam to accept his views and his leadership, then a long and bitter struggle lies ahead, and not only for America. Sooner or later, al-Qaeda and related groups will clash with the other neighbors of Islam - Russia, China, India - who may prove less squeamish than the Americans in using their power against Muslims and their sanctities. If bin Laden is correct in his calculations and succeeds in his war, then a dark future awaits the world, especially the part of it that embraces Islam."

Bernard Lewis Plan, Take II

Since the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Lewis has, not surprisingly, resurfaced in numerous locations. After all, the 85-year old British Arab Bureau mandarin has been London's point-man in the United States since 1974, when he was posted to H.G. Wells' outpost at Princeton University's Center for Advanced Studies, to secure American compliance with British geopolitical manipulations in the Middle East, the Caucasus, the Caspian Basin, and Central Asia.

To put it bluntly: British intelligence senior operator Lewis is the guiding hand behind the ongoing U.S. neo-conservative drive for a new "Thirty Years War" in Eurasia. This drive is at the heart of the ongoing coup d'état attempt against the George W. Bush Administration, which began with the Sept. 11 irregular warfare attacks on New York City and Washington.

Lewis' arrival at Princeton, after serving on the faculty of the University of London's Middle East and Africa faculty (the repository of the original India House files, long officially referred to as the Colonial Department), coincided with then-Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger's fomenting of the civil war in Lebanon. That persists to the present day, and served as a laboratory for the later "Islamic revolution" in Iran.

Lewis is no mere British quackademic. After obtaining his doctorate in the history of Islam from the University of London School of Oriental and African Studies, he joined the university faculty in 1938. From 1940-45, Lewis was, in his own understated words, "otherwise engaged," as a wartime British Military Intelligence officer, later seconded to the British Foreign Office. To this day, Lewis remains mum about his wartime "engagements."

Since arriving at Princeton, Lewis has been demonstrably responsible for every piece of strategic folly and insanity into which the United States has been suckered in Asia Minor. The Wellsian "method to his madness" has been the persistent push to eliminate the nation-state system, and launch murderous wars stretching across the Eurasian region.

* During the Carter Administration, Lewis was the architect of Zbigniew Brzezinski's "Arc of Crisis" policy of fomenting Muslim Brotherhood fundamentalist insurrections all along the southern tier of the Soviet Union. The planned fostering of radical Islamist war provocations was known, at the time, as "the Bernard Lewis Plan." Among the fruits of this Lewis-Brzezinski collusion: the February 1979 Ayatollah Khomeini "Islamic Revolution" in Iran, which overthrew the Shah, and sent the once-proud center of the Islamic Renaissance back into a 20-year dark age; and the 1979-1988 Afghanistan War, provoked by Brzezinski's July 1979 launching of covert support for Afghan mujahideen "Contras" inside Afghanistan - six months prior to the Soviet Red Army's Christmas Eve invasion.

As early as 1960, in a book-length study he prepared for the Royal Institute for International Affairs, under the title The Emergence of Modern Turkey, Lewis polemicized against the modernizing, nation-building legacy of Turkey's Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. He argued instead for the revival of an Ottoman Empire that could be used as a British geopolitical battering ram against Russia and against the Arab states of the Persian Gulf - in alliance with Israel.

* It was Bernard Lewis who launched the hoax of the "Clash of Civilizations" - in a September 1990 Atlantic Monthly article on "The Roots of Muslim Rage," which appeared three years before Brzezinski clone Samuel Huntington's publication of his Foreign Affairs diatribe, "The Clash Of Civilizations." Huntington's article, and his subsequent book-length treatment of the same subject, were caricatures of Lewis' more sophisticated British Orientalist historical fraud, which painted Islam as engaged in a 14-century-long war against Christianity. Huntington acknowledged that Lewis' 1990 piece coined the term "Clash of Civilizations."

* In 1992, in the aftermath of the Persian Gulf War, Lewis celebrated in the pages of the New York Council on Foreign Relations' Foreign Affairs that the era of the nation-state in the Middle East had come to an inglorious end, and the entire region should expect to go through a prolonged period of "Lebanonization" - i.e., degeneration into fratricidal, parochialist violence and chaos. "The eclipse of pan-Arabism," he wrote, "has left Islamic fundamentalism as the most attractive alternative to all those who feel that there has to be something better, truer, and more hopeful than the inept tyrannies of their rulers and the bankrupt ideologies foisted on them from outside." The Islamists represent "a network outside the control of the state.... The more oppressive the regime, the greater the help it gives to fundamentalists by eliminating competing oppositionists." He concluded the Foreign Affairs piece by forecasting the "Lebanonization" of the entire region, save Israel: "Most of the states of the Middle East ... are of recent and artificial construction and are vulnerable to such a process. If the central power is sufficiently weakened, there is no real civil society to hold the polity together, no real sense of common national identity or overriding allegiance to the nation-state. The state then disintegrates - as happened in Lebanon - into a chaos of squabbling, feuding, fighting sects, tribes, regions and parties."

* In 1998, it was Lewis who catapulted Osama bin Laden into prominence with a November/December Foreign Affairs article, legitimizing the Saudi black sheep as a serious proponent of mainstream, militant Islam. Lewis' piece, "License To Kill: Osama bin Laden's Declaration Of Jihad," showered praise on bin Laden, pronouncing his "Declaration of Jihad Versus Jews and Crusaders" "a magnificent piece of eloquent, at times even poetic Arabic prose ... which reveals a version of history that most Westerners will find unfamiliar."

Caught In The Act

Osama bin Laden released his 1998 jihad call on Feb. 23, 1998, six months before the truck bombing attacks against the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. The very next day, Bernard Lewis' signature appeared on a widely circulated Open Letter To President Bill Clinton, released by a previously unheard-of entity called the Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf, demanding that the U.S. government throw its full support behind a military campaign to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The Open Letter called for carpet bombing Iraq, and for the United States to aggressively give financial and military support for the Iraqi National Congress, yet another corrupt and inept "Contra" pseudo-gang, created by U.S. and British intelligence elements, and based in London......

44 posted on 02/03/2002 9:47:50 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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