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Gun-toting Utah
Seattle Times ^ | 1/29/02 | Editorial

Posted on 01/29/2002 7:21:38 AM PST by goodnesswins

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 12:00 a.m. Pacific Editorial Gun-toting Utah

Gun advocates, like other politically passionate groups, sometimes don't know when to quit.

Such is the case in Utah. Less than two weeks before the Olympic Games begin, gun advocates are trying to bring guns close to Olympic venues and trying to force guns onto college campuses against the will of colleges and universities.

While officials at Utah universities try to maintain a reasonable ban on guns on campuses, state officials are ordering state offices, day cares, parks, hospitals and college campuses to remove bans on guns for people with concealed-weapons permits.

Day cares? College classrooms? How absurd.

Seven of nine public colleges and universities have banned guns on their campuses for sane, rational reasons. What is the mission of an institution of higher learning if not to provide a safe educational environment for students?

With the Olympics opening Feb. 8, gun advocates are causing additional headaches for security planners. Advocates want to tote weapons to the Olympics and keep them in lock-boxes near the venues.

The U.S. Secret Service, overseeing much of the security operation, correctly said no. For 17 days, the paramount interest is not exaggerated gun law. It's the safety of athletes and visitors from hundreds of different countries.

Many states allow people with concealed-weapons permits to carry guns into stores, churches and other locations. Utah blazes new trails by insisting — insisting — that guns be allowed at colleges and universities.

People with concealed-weapons permits have followed the rules. But their rights should not overwhelm the potential health and safety of students and professors, nor should they interfere with wider security concerns at the winter games.

A poll done for the Deseret News found nearly two-thirds of Utah residents favor banning guns from schools. Well, of course. Former Sen. Jake Garn, a Republican and university trustee, says classrooms should be havens for learning, not a potential firing range.

Gun rights, like many other rights, are limited by common sense. Utah is embarrassing itself with its over-the-top gun advocacy.

Copyright © 2002 The Seattle Times Company


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Yeah, right, like the secret service is going to protect us.....I'll say it again.....I never feel as "at risk" as I do when I enter my grandson's grade school to volunteer, and it has the sign "No gun zone"........
1 posted on 01/29/2002 7:21:39 AM PST by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins
Ya forgot the puke alert!!!
2 posted on 01/29/2002 7:24:45 AM PST by RetiredNavy
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To: goodnesswins
Typical of the lies of the anti-gun crowd. Banning concealed weapon permit holders from bringing guns to school doesn't make the school safer, but rather more dangerous as it creates a "defense-free" zone for criminals.
3 posted on 01/29/2002 7:25:36 AM PST by spqrzilla9
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To: goodnesswins
"While officials at Utah universities try to maintain a reasonable ban on guns on campuses"

What's so reasonable about it?

Do they think society is better served by making people leave their guns in the car?

4 posted on 01/29/2002 7:39:20 AM PST by jdege
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To: goodnesswins
Anyone wanna take a guess at which city has a higher crime rate, Seattle or Salt Lake City?
5 posted on 01/29/2002 7:51:06 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: goodnesswins
See, what everybody fails to realize is that if we all leave our guns at home, all the time, we'll all be much safer. Criminals don't want to strike at unarmed victims,there's no challenge, right? No, they want armed victims, because there is such a sense of honor and combat spirit in the criminal world.

What a bunch of dorks. How will disarming a huge population at an event guaranteed to raise a terrorist's eyebrows guarantee their safety? Oh, that's right, we can't be trusted to defend ourselves. We can be trusted to elect Congressmen and Presidents, but we can't be trusted to defend ourselves. Prigs.

6 posted on 01/29/2002 7:51:49 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: goodnesswins
What an idiot article. I live near SLC. Total misprepresentation.

It's the anti-gunners who have been trying to attack the concealed carry rights by creating special exemption zones for the Olympic venues (that somehow will never go away.)

Schools already have the right to ban concealed carry on their property in Utah, as can any other land-owning entity.

7 posted on 01/29/2002 8:08:19 AM PST by Seruzawa
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To: goodnesswins
The author uses one of the most used techniques of the anti-self defense crowd, ignoring the distinction between law abiding citizens and criminals. Many readers of such propaganda do not realize the trick being played and fall for the arguments made by the author.
8 posted on 01/29/2002 8:31:21 AM PST by TheDon
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To: goodnesswins
Reply to The Seattle times including opinion@seattletimes.com

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

9 posted on 01/29/2002 8:37:06 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: goodnesswins
People with concealed-weapons permits have followed the rules. But their rights should not overwhelm the potential health and safety of students and professors, nor should they interfere with wider security concerns at the winter games.

or it could read like this
People in the media have followed the rules. But their rights should not overwhelm the potential health and safety of students and professors, nor should they interfere with wider security concerns at the winter games. A ban on free speech in these places is clearly warranted.

10 posted on 01/29/2002 8:41:27 AM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: goodnesswins
I have a brother-in-law in Utah who was called by the bishop of his LDS ward to serve as "concealed weapons coordinator."

(just kidding)

11 posted on 01/29/2002 8:45:46 AM PST by tracer
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To: goodnesswins
Seven of nine public colleges and universities have banned guns on their campuses for sane, rational reasons. What is the mission of an institution of higher learning if not to provide a safe educational environment for students?

What about a safe environment for faculty? One of my students (from an Arab country) threatened to kill me and another professor because we had given him bad grades. The university administration decided not to do anything unless the student repeated his threats.

I have since purchased a .40-caliber Glock pistol. From now on, I will provide for my own safe educational environment.

12 posted on 01/29/2002 8:48:07 AM PST by Logophile
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To: jdege
Gun rights, like many other rights, are limited by common sense Oh, yeah..I did read that in the constitution..."these rights not to be infringed....EXCEPT by common sence. JERK
13 posted on 01/29/2002 8:52:26 AM PST by Puppage
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To: goodnesswins

14 posted on 01/29/2002 8:53:48 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: Puppage
To socialist statists like the author of this piece, common sense gun rights limitations means only the State has the right to own guns. Simple, yes? So is the author.
15 posted on 01/29/2002 10:38:19 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
I hear ya pal. I'm SOOOO tired of this game, but I won't give up.
16 posted on 01/29/2002 11:04:01 AM PST by Puppage
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To: Logophile
It's mandatory diversity sensitivity training for you, comrade.....

/sarcasm>

17 posted on 01/29/2002 11:13:01 AM PST by tracer
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To: goodnesswins
Former Sen. Jake Garn, a Republican and university trustee, says classrooms should be havens for learning, not a potential firing range.

Alan Keyes mentioned last night that the latest school shooting (PA law school ?) was stopped when 2 students ran to their cars, got their guns and disarmed the shooter. If they had been "allowed" guns on campus, maybe there would have been only one victim, or none.

Any Freepers in Seattle: Did the Seattle Times mention this aspect of the shooting?

18 posted on 01/29/2002 11:54:53 AM PST by jackliberty
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To: Seruzawa; goodnesswins
Schools already have the right to ban concealed carry on their property in Utah, as can any other land-owning entity.

that's not accurate. only private property owners (not places accessible to the general public or businesses)
and churches can ban guns, concealed or not. they must notify you by posting signs or telling you.

under state statute and state constitution, only the legislature can regulate state gun law, so the
bottom line is that any place that isn't a "secure" area as defined by the legislature (fed facilities,
jails, prisons, courts, etc.) and isn't personal private property or a church must allow concealed carry.

you can carry in an elementary or a daycare, a bar, the capitol building, and if you don't mind
being the test case to support the opinion of the attorney general and
legislative auditor's report vs. some college's administrative rule, you can carry in the universities too.

otoh, i think we all agree that this article sucks. seattle, the other kalifornia.

19 posted on 02/03/2002 4:47:30 AM PST by glock rocks
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To: goodnesswins
People who go to the effort to get a concealed carry permit are those who know how to handle a firearm. I remember watching on TV, a witness to the Jerusalem shooting of 22 who said that there were several armed Israeli citizens near the shooter who pulled their weapons. None of them fired, though, because they could not get a clear shot.
That shows restraint and responsibility. I believe you'd find armed Americans in a situation like that would behave the same way.
20 posted on 02/03/2002 4:55:42 AM PST by a_federalist
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