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Bush Willing to Consider Returning Saudi Detainees (On A case By Case Basis)
Reuters | 1/28/02 | Steve Holland

Posted on 01/28/2002 2:37:04 PM PST by kattracks

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush said on Monday he was willing to consider Saudi Arabia's request to return on a case-by-case basis the 100 Saudis who are among 158 Afghan war detainees at a U.S. base in Cuba, but U.S. officials doubted this would happen any time soon.

At the same time, Bush defended his decision not to grant POW status to al Qaeda and Taliban fighters at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The European Union, Germany, the Netherlands, some British legislators, Amnesty International and the International Committee of the Red Cross have demanded the detainees be given prisoner-of-war status subject to the Geneva Convention.

"Al Qaeda is not a known military. These are killers. These are terrorists. They know no countries. And the only thing they know about countries is when they find a country that's been weak and they want to occupy it like a parasite," Bush said.

In Riyadh, Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef said 100 Saudi men were among prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay and that "we demand that they be subject to the kingdom's laws."

Bush said: "There's a lot of Saudi citizens that chose to fight for al Qaeda and/or the Taliban that we want to know more about. And so we'll make a decision on a case-by-case basis as to whether they go back to Saudi Arabia or not."

A senior U.S. official said the request would be given "all due consideration" but doubted action soon. It was not immediately clear how such a move would effect detainees who are nationals of other countries.

"We still have much work to do to ensure we've gotten all the information there is to be had to help prevent any future terrorist attacks, and that at the moment is our first priority with these detainees," the official said.

The United States is calling the captives "illegal combatants." By not declaring them POWs, it means they can be interrogated more extensively. U.S. officials fear the captives would launch new attacks on American targets if freed.

DECISION SOON

Bush and his national security team held a meeting to discuss how the captives might otherwise be covered by the Geneva Convention. He said he would make a decision soon.

Secretary of State Colin Powell had requested a review on whether to follow the Geneva Convention's stipulations for treatment of prisoners in wartime out of concern that any U.S. troops captured in battle could be mistreated.

A senior State Department official said State Department lawyers believe the Geneva Convention covers the Taliban and al Qaeda detainees at Guantanamo Bay but does not give them the status of prisoners of war.

"Our lawyer reached the view that the Geneva Convention applies but these people do not qualify as prisoners of war," said the official, who asked not to be named.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the United States does not want to comply with Geneva Convention provisions requiring the host country to pay POWs advances on their salary and stipends for the purchase of tobacco.

"They're lucky to be in the custody of our military, because they're receiving three square meals a day, they're receiving health care that they never received before. Their sleeping conditions are probably better than anything they've had in Afghanistan," Fleischer said.

He said the captives will be allowed to receive and send correspondence, and receive food and clothing, subject to proper security clearance.

Vienna Colucci, a spokeswoman for Amnesty International, said her organization was concerned the Bush administration has taken it upon itself to make the determination as to the status of the Guantanamo detainees.

"That is something that is not within their authority. In the words of the Geneva Convention, a 'competent tribunal' is to decide. We're calling for an independent U.S. court to make this decision," she said.

U.S. District Judge Howard Matz of Los Angeles has set a deadline of this Thursday for the U.S. government to file a response to a petition demanding the charges against the detainees be clarified.

The petition was filed by a group of Los Angeles clergy, journalism professors and civil rights lawyers including former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark.

The prisoners are held in 8-foot-by-8-foot cells with concrete floors, wooden roofs and chain-link fence walls.

A photograph released by the Defense Department showing the captives, kneeling, shackled and wearing blacked-out goggles and masks stirred international criticism over their treatment.

Pentagon officials said the picture was taken during a brief period after the prisoners arrived at the camp and were being processed before being moved to their cells.

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1 posted on 01/28/2002 2:37:04 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Fine print clause: Prisoners will be released after coroner's autopsy.
2 posted on 01/28/2002 2:46:46 PM PST by Rain-maker
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To: kattracks
Those Saudi princes must be getting a little nervous about their nationals being detained for interogation.

There's no doubt they've been covertly funding terrorist organizations for years. Some of the prisoners are said to be high in the leadership chain. A few may crack and implicate some of the scores of princes as well as the ministers, courtiers, and bagmen surrounding the largely corrupt Saudi royal family.

President Bush is mighty aware of this and isn't budging an inch, bless his heart.

Leni

3 posted on 01/28/2002 2:48:36 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: kattracks
Case 1: Denied repatriation
Case 2: Denied repatriation
Case 3: Denied...and so forth!
4 posted on 01/28/2002 2:51:04 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: kattracks
House of Saud worried they're gonna get fingered?
5 posted on 01/28/2002 2:54:02 PM PST by demlosers
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To: demlosers
I think with 100 Saudis making up the largest group, the Saudis are already fingured. Will Bush cave?

Who is Victoria?

Saudis Want Their Detainees Sent Home
Mon Jan 28, 6:04 PM ET

By TONY WINTON, Associated Press Writer

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (AP) - Saudi Arabia said Monday that more than 100 of its citizens are in U.S. custody at Guantanamo Bay, making Saudis by far the largest group of terrorist suspects detained on this remote U.S. naval base. Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef urged the United States to turn over the Saudi detainees for interrogation at home. In Washington, President Bush said "we'll make a decision on a case-by-case basis as to whether they go back to Saudi Arabia or not." The president did not comment on the number of Saudis being held.

Saudi Arabia, a close U.S. ally in the Middle East, has come under criticism in the United States from some who say the ruling royal family has done too little to crack down on terrorists and extremists.

Fifteen of the 19 hijackers that carried out the Sept. 11 terrorist attack were Saudis although Saudi officials insist no Saudi involvement has been proven. Osama bin Laden, whose al-Qaida network is believed to have carried out the worst terrorist attack in history, was a Saudi national until his citizenship was revoked in the 1990s.

The disclosure Monday that more than half of the detainees on Guantanamo Bay are Saudis clarified some of the mystery over the nationalities of the 158 men who spend their days in orange jumpsuits and open-air cells at a heavily fortified camp in eastern Cuba.

U.S. military officials have not identified the detainees captured in Afghanistan, except to say they come from 25 countries.

A handful of states, including Australia, Yemen, Sweden and Britain have revealed that they have citizens among the detainees and France was sending a delegation to the base to verify the citizenship of several suspects.

U.S. officials say the detainees are among the most dangerous al-Qaida and Taliban fighters captured during the U.S.-led war on terrorism, launched after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Australian detainee David Hicks, 26, allegedly threatened to kill an American upon his arrival at Guantanamo, U.S. officials said. Hicks' father, Terry, has said his son — a recent convert to Islam — called home 17 days after the Sept. 11 attacks to say that he was with the Taliban.

Australian newspapers have printed photos of Hicks as a freckled 10-year-old schoolboy alongside a photo of him as a bazooka-toting soldier in battle fatigues taken during a stint in Kosovo where he fought with Muslims in the Kosovo Liberation Army.

His case has drawn comparisons with that of John Walker Lindh, the American who was captured with the Taliban. Lindh was flown back to the United States last week, where he faces charges, including conspiracy to kill fellow Americans, that could bring life in prison.

Apart from those held in Guantanamo, an additional 309 suspects were in U.S. military custody in Afghanistan, military officials there said on Monday.

A senior defense official at the Pentagon said Monday that approximately one-fifth of the 482 prisoners held in Afghanistan and at Guantanamo Bay are Saudi nationals. The next biggest group by nationality is Yemeni, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Bush said his administration was still considering the legalities surrounding the detainees' status, but during a news conference in Washington with visiting Afghan leader Hamid Karzai, the president added: "they will not be treated as prisoners of war, they're illegal combatants."

Human rights groups have been pushing the United States to designate the detainees as prisoner-of-war, a status that would guarantee them greater protections under the Geneva Convention.

Several of America's closest allies, including France, have expressed concern over the treatment of the suspects, who have been photographed shackled and blindfolded.

Britain, a key U.S. ally, said last week that it wants the United States to return British suspects to stand trial at home. In addition to three Britons held on Guantanamo, the British Foreign Office said Monday that two others, believed to be British, are being held by U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

Speaking to reporters Monday in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Prince Nayef revealed for the first time that "more than 100" Saudis were being detained by the U.S. military and that the kingdom wants its citizens returned home.

"I know about them but we don't know the charges against them except that they were arrested in Afghanistan," Nayef said "The issue of prisoners is important to us and we ask that they be handed over to us so we can interrogate them, since they fall under the kingdom's regulations."

Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke said that prisoners would be repatriated to "those countries that we feel will handle them appropriately."

"We have no desire to hold on to large numbers of detainees of any kind for any great length of time. But we want to make sure these people are not back out on the streets," she said.

Nayef said the Saudi government was in touch with the United States and hoped for U.S. cooperation concerning Saudis being held at Guantanamo.

6 posted on 01/28/2002 3:25:17 PM PST by flamefront
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To: kattracks
Bush Willing to Consider Returning Saudi Detainees (On A case By Case Basis)

This is a wonderful idea. GW Bush is morally obligated to take them halfway back.

7 posted on 01/28/2002 3:37:57 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: kattracks
We should return them in caskets.
8 posted on 01/28/2002 4:06:03 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: kattracks
All in all Bush has done a great job in this war on terrorism. But treating the Saudis with anything other than contempt and leaving the borders relatively wide open have been his two biggest failings.
9 posted on 01/28/2002 4:11:32 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: kattracks
...100 Saudis who are among 158 Afghan war detainees...

I can't help but notice the rather extraordinary proportion of these guys that are Saudi (Nearly 2/3)

Just like the rather extraordinary proportion of the hijackers who were Saudi (about 3/4)

Somehow I don't think that is just coincidence. Something's very rotten in Saudi Arabia. Its about time to tell these guys to figure out what it is an fix it before they make the list.

10 posted on 01/28/2002 4:19:32 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: flamefront
"Several of America's closest allies, including France..."

Come again?

11 posted on 01/28/2002 6:18:25 PM PST by rebdov
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