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Opinion: Hockey Dad Verdict Backwards
vanity | 1/27/02 | moodyskeptic

Posted on 01/27/2002 8:48:53 AM PST by moodyskeptic

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To: Great Dane
And in a similar manner to the beating he gave Costin. By the way, he also threw a punch at a cop a while back and walked on that oe too. I also heard a guy on the radio in Boston tell a story about how Junta had kicked his ass too. Another lightweight. The guy didn't press charges becasue he said it was a fair fight. Good man for doing that but simply more evidence that Junta enjoyed his work.
121 posted on 01/27/2002 3:41:37 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Yeah, there were no angels in this one, I do feel sorry for the families.
122 posted on 01/27/2002 3:45:00 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: moodyskeptic
I suspect that we are fortunate that both of these guys are off the streets.

My first impression was that Costin was a jerk. This has pretty much been proven with a look at his past rap-sheet.

As for Junta, I suspect that he went way too far - and knew it. Or, as when he beat the hell out of his wife, he was just uncontrollable. Either way, a few years in the pokie may wise him up. And then again, it might not.

123 posted on 01/27/2002 3:47:57 PM PST by jackbill
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To: lsee
The key point was that Junta had essentially left the building before he turned and went back in. Big or small, the man was in a flaming rage. He would have had a better chance of escaping prison time if he had pleaded temporary insanity or something like that, since he was clearly out of control. The fatal fight was not inadvertent. Junta went and sought the final confrontation.

No sale. You seem to be saying that Junta should never have left, but rather that he should have stayed and pummeled that seven-time jailbird punk Costin right after he got sucker punched and kicked at with skates.

So Junta left and came back - - good for him. I don't hold it against him, even if the jury did. I hope there's an appeal.

124 posted on 01/27/2002 3:51:07 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: DoughtyOne
He had walked away. He was outside. At that point he was safe and in the right. Too bad for everyone he didn't stay out there.

In my opinion, this was his mistake. He should never have left, but should have resolved the dispute right then and there. By leaving so that he could simmer down, he instead had a chance to fume at the needless humiliation he had suffered at the hands of a worthless little punk. It ate at him quickly, and he could not let it rest. He lost his temper. I think he wanted to beat the punk up - - teach him a lesson real good - - but I don't believe he wanted to kill him. The punk ended up dead, and 6 to 10 is probably about right.
Bravo to our system of justice.

125 posted on 01/27/2002 4:02:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: moodyskeptic
I agree. Too much was made of the defendants size, and too little made of the deceased prior conduct.
127 posted on 01/27/2002 4:13:41 PM PST by wattsmag2
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To: Xenalyte
This is bound to get me flamed, so flame-retardant leathers on (although a bit snug after the holidays).

Where I come from (Houston, Texas), if you're man enough to start a fight, you'd best be man enough to finish it.

I speak from experience. I'm five-ten and weigh between 130 and 150 (yep, it do vary that much), which makes me at least equal-sized to most men of my acquaintance. I've been in two fights in my life back in the day, both with men I was dating at the time, and both of which I started. To their chivalrous credit, both men tried not to fight back, but I made it kinda hard for them.

When you hit, expect to get hit back. It's cowardly and chicken$hit of women - and little men - to think they can get away with hitting someone and expect no retaliation. That means all of us - women, men, however large or small you are.

What you say is very curious. Are you proud of the fact you fought with chivalrous men? Presumably, because they both tried not to fight back, they didnt start the fighting to begin with.

Were they injured by a smack from one of your leather-cupped breasts?

Exactly how much force is necessary to sever the muscles holding a person's neck together? Enough force to prove that a fist necessarily had been used in an intentionally harmful way, on a helpless person?

Women playing at men is ok, as long as they know they are women.

Junta lucked out. He murdered, and he got away with it. He should be in prison until he dies. But he will not, he will get out, probably.

The astonishing thing is that anyone calling herself conservative, should offer a defense of this killer.

And btw, you are more than 150, easily.

128 posted on 01/27/2002 4:13:48 PM PST by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: moodyskeptic
A panel of unanimous jurors from, of all places, Massachusetts, disagrees with you 100% - and they were all convinced beyond any shred of reasonable doubt. I will admit they had a huge advantage over you, they were actually there to see and hear the whole testimony, and weren't armchair quarterbacking with only your selected portion of information.
129 posted on 01/27/2002 4:22:20 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: wattsmag2
I agree. Too much was made of the defendants size, and too little made of the deceased prior conduct

Well, there's a reason for that watt, Junta didn't ask Costin for a copy of his rap sheet before he beat him to death so it was irrelevant to the beating to death of Costin since Junta had no knowledge that Costin was also a piece of crap.

131 posted on 01/27/2002 4:25:35 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
No, but the fact that a piece of crap might just be the one who starts fights should be relevant.
132 posted on 01/27/2002 4:28:40 PM PST by wattsmag2
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To: moodyskeptic
Have you EVER been in a serious tussle? Do you know the feeling of adrenalin pumping too fast? Even you are capable of this mistake.

This rationale of yours tells us much about you, and says nothing of the person to whom you projected it.

133 posted on 01/27/2002 4:29:21 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: Lancey Howard
We pretty much agree on the sentence.
134 posted on 01/27/2002 4:29:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: sinkspur
You know sinkspur, you and I sure think alike on many topics and many threads. That was an excellent analysis. See my post 133 on this thread.
135 posted on 01/27/2002 4:33:47 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: wattsmag2
Junta got six years for beating a guy to death. I would say the judge took everything into account.

The law says you can only respond with reasonable force, whether you're a cop or a wife beating bully like Junta. You can't beat people to death because they looked at you crosseyed, spit on you or questioned your manhood. Well you can, but if you do you're going to the joint with the tough guys.

136 posted on 01/27/2002 4:34:50 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: moodyskeptic
The late Mr. Costin had "little man syndrome".
137 posted on 01/27/2002 4:40:48 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: HighWheeler
I presume you didn't read everything here?
138 posted on 01/27/2002 4:43:35 PM PST by moodyskeptic
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To: jwalsh07
Junta tried to cause severe bodily harm once with his skates. I for one would not have given him a second chance. He got exactly what he asked for, a fair fight. The fact that Junta died should not reflect on the other man if he indeed started the fight. It was tragic, but it was a tragedy made by Junta.
139 posted on 01/27/2002 4:47:05 PM PST by wattsmag2
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To: GalFromTheBay
From what I understand, Costin had a lot of experience with LEOs, apparently about 50 times more law trouble. I don't know about your neighborhood, but in mine, the multiple ex cons are easy to spot. If your eyes are open.
140 posted on 01/27/2002 4:48:29 PM PST by moodyskeptic
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