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To: Thoeting
Well, I read the whole thread (so far, anyhow), and I'm truly frightened. My wife and I are thinking of homeschooling our 3-year-old daughter. We have older sons who survived the public schools here, but we are concerned that a little girl would have more trouble. We are well educated and can easily teach most subjects at an elementary level or better.

The problem we keep wrestling with is socialization. There are few children in our immediate neighborhood, and we have no nearby family members with small kids either. We would try to get involved with a homeschool group, but, frankly, some of the people who homeschool strike us as fanatical, to speak charitably. I think many of the responses to your very thoughtful post more than confirm our worst nightmares.

102 posted on 01/18/2002 4:32:05 PM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98
It is proper for your children to remain in public schools. You cannot seem to think for yourself and are hesitating to homeschool because of what others around you think. You are content to let the socialist government indoctrinate your children to embrace diversity and tolerance of all manner of deviant thought and abhorrent activities.

Just because you find some homeschoolers to be radical you have doubts about your ability to raise your own children properly. Your first thought is that maybe the government knows best. You don’t belong in the homeschool movement because you want your children to be socialized into a liberal Marxist society. This is because you want them to accept what society has to offer. Many homeschoolers do not want their children to blend in with society, they want them to change it.

106 posted on 01/18/2002 4:59:10 PM PST by Khepera
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To: madprof98
There are ways to socialize your daughter, dance classes, tumble classes, things like that. You don't have to socialize with other homeschool parents. I didn't. Whenever anybody gives me the line about my son not getting to socialize with the kids at school I tell them to drive by the high school and see why I don't worry about it. Do what you think is best for your daughter.
110 posted on 01/18/2002 5:10:16 PM PST by gigi
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To: madprof98
My wife homeschools our daughters (1st and 2nd graders) and there are plenty of opportunities for socialization. Take them to the library, the park, and church. Your local rec center may even have time reserved for homeschoolers. Allow them to experience life! Instead of waiting for your child to take Consumer Math in high school, take them to the store and teach them yourself!
Our local grocery store has an area set aside for kids to play while the parent shops...Our daughters go in there and put on puppet shows for the other kids!
The other day, the younger one answered the phone as it rang. The caller, a GOP solicitor, couldn't get over my daughters' courteous and polite responses on the phone. Is not teaching proper manners and responsibilities homeschooling?

You have to ask yourself whose values do you want instilled in your child? You have a tremendous opportunity to mold and shape your child and prepare them for their future.

111 posted on 01/18/2002 5:14:38 PM PST by Typelouder
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To: madprof98; All
"The problem we keep wrestling with is socialization."

See my reply immediately above. Now, let's address the ever-present "socialization" issue.

First, read everything I wrote above. Still applies.

As far as our kids are concerned, I'll tell you that this was our biggest concern before we started homeschooling as well.

As it turned out, that has been the LEAST of our concerns in reality.

Kids attract kids. Now, we have a bunch of 'em. You don't. We have kids in the area. You say you don't (but you probably have more kids in your neighborhood than you sometimes realize). That aside, there are churches.......church youth groups. There's Scouting: Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Camp Fire Girls, etc. There's the YMCA. There are youth sports leagues. You get the idea. There are DOZENS of ways for kids to be with other kids.

In addition, my kids are very comfortable being with adults because, via homeschooling, they've had tremendous 1-on-1 time with an adult. They are used to talking to adults. They aren't shy, they show respect, and are at ease with themselves, their peers, and adults.

Don't fall into a trap that's laid out here by many who haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about. I DO know what I'm talking about on this one. They wish you to believe that public school is the answer to all of this; that little Johnnie or Suzie will learn such wonderful social skills in public school.

In this day and age, do I really have to tell you how full of holes THAT argument is????

Case in point: My 14 year old son. Great kid; truly a wonderful boy. Sharp, getting pretty tall and a good lookin' young man, so the girls are noticing him in a big way, etc., etc.......in his very first year of public schooling (ninth grade). He's even on the wrestling team and is doing well with that. Guess what lovely things his peers are trying to get him to do? Swear. Yep. They can't understand why he won't swear; he refuses to do it. They don't understand homeschooling, so they say things like "Bet you don't even know HOW to use drugs, do you?????" Again, you get the idea. THAT is what your kids' peers "teach" each other these days.

No, we didn't send our kids to public high school to learn "social skills"; trust me on that one.

You've gotta work at it. Commit. Put the effort into it. I recommend a curriculum from Christian Liberty Academy. We've used it all these years and it's unbelievably thorough, challenging, and highly effective.

Then get your child out into the world on a regular basis........not just to interact with other kids, but to learn about their world.

126 posted on 01/19/2002 3:11:00 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: madprof98
The problem we keep wrestling with is socialization.

Not an issue. YOU and your wife are the most important "social" entities in your children's lives at this point. Jesus was treated with contempt for his lack of formal education, but he seemed to have learned something while hanging around with Joseph in the carpenter's shop! And no one would accuse the gregarious friend of sinners of being anti-social!

Seriously, though, the fellowship children hunger for most is with their own parents. Get that need filled, and they have all the confidence needed to take on the world with poise and tact.

129 posted on 01/19/2002 4:40:59 AM PST by TomSmedley
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To: madprof98
Well, I read the whole thread (so far, anyhow), and I'm truly frightened. My wife and I are thinking of homeschooling our 3-year-old daughter. We have older sons who survived the public schools here, but we are concerned that a little girl would have more trouble. We are well educated and can easily teach most subjects at an elementary level or better.

The problem we keep wrestling with is socialization. There are few children in our immediate neighborhood, and we have no nearby family members with small kids either. We would try to get involved with a homeschool group, but, frankly, some of the people who homeschool strike us as fanatical, to speak charitably. I think many of the responses to your very thoughtful post more than confirm our worst nightmares.

Take a deep breath, keep an open mind. My wife and I continue to successfully homeschool all our boys - ages 3, 6, and 9 - and the beauty of it is that it is truly a vocation. Unlike public schooling, the educational approach of other children really doesn't have to have an impact on you and yours. We've mingled some with other homeschoolers, but not much. Our boys play with each other, with us, with a couple of friends at Church, with a couple of decent kids they bump in to at the library. And they don't suffer for it. The socialization controversy is overblown. Really, how many close friends from your elementary school years do you still have? Raise them well, give them access to the whole world through literature, consider yourselves to be on a adventurous quest of growth and learning. Homeschooling is the natural outgrowth of a good marriage - and is very similar in its mutuality. And like the blessings of a good marriage, the rewards and sheer fun of homeschooling are impossible to convey to those who haven't experienced it.

158 posted on 01/22/2002 8:37:25 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: madprof98
Don't let anything scare you. I can second-guess some of the most momentous, thought-out decisions of my life. Home-schooling is just-next-to THE BEST decision I've ever made. Every year, I thank God and my wife all the more that we're doing it.

And I started out opposed!

The whole thing is that it reflects YOUR relationship to your children. So of course, inattentive, irresponsible parents will do it poorly. But I'm assuming you love and are devoted to your children. No State teacher will love them or know them like you do! It is SO much better for them that you be intimately involved not only in their schooling, but in their socialization.

Socialization was one of my bugaboos, because the first HS family I knew were hothouse-types, too good for everyone else. But, as I now know, that's just them. We've done it for something like 9 years, and our kids have been involved in church, art classes, dance class, karate, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts... they're "out there" fine.

I hope that, and The Writer's thoughtful response, help.

Dan

178 posted on 01/23/2002 8:30:27 AM PST by BibChr
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