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1 posted on 01/16/2002 4:18:19 PM PST by JohnPaulJones
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I saw this clown on O'Reilly tonight, and have several thoughts about the performance:

1) This guy was in total denial about a variety of things, not the least of which is the extent of black involvement in the slave trade. Fact is, Europeans did not enslave anyone...they merely purchased people who were already enslaved.

2) This guy didn't seem too lathered about slavery going on in Africa today....wonder why not? (answer: he exploits the history of slavery in America to incite white guilt so that he can get things that he wants from white americans).

3) I am slowly coming to believe that this man's opinions are not anywhere near as rare as I had hoped. Sadly, I think that his opinion is shared by the clear majority of black americans.

4) The more time passes, the more I am inclined to actually believe one major point of his: perhaps things really are as culturally relative as he says they are. Perhaps black children in this country should not be taught about great white men in our past, but rather should be taught whatever the leaders in the black community want to teach them. After all, if you go to any black neighborhood in america, what do the people there really have in common with Europeans such as Washington (or Newton, or Jefferson, or any other European). Maybe we should have our teachings and let them have theirs...it seems to be what they want.

Just a thought

53 posted on 01/16/2002 5:37:31 PM PST by quebecois
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I saw it. The NYC Councilman's name was Barron. Sure enough, Bill O got into it with him regarding revisionism.

There are, no doubt, winners and losers in history. The winners generally have a good bit of influence to cast facts and personal data in ways closely resembling the way they would like them to be remembered. Countervailing facts seen as less relevant are less often--if ever--repeated among succint historical summaries.

Barron called BO's examples of heroes--Washington, Jefferson, etc., "your heroes." He said that because they were slave owners, they should not be honored by blacks. One of Barron's preferred heroes was Malcolm X. Upon hearing that, BO called Malcolm X a clear racist, and cited a quote from him. BO asked him if he would repudiate Malcolm because he was a racist.

Barron wouldn't repudiate him, but said Malcolm's statements evolved over time. BO asked Barron if others' heroes, such as Washington should be viewed more favorably, given that they, too, evolved better understandings over time, but Barron would allow none of that kind of thinking.

"If Socrates and Plato and their like kept slaves, should we no longer hold them in high esteem?" was another BO example. That would be nonsense, as the thrust of such peoples' contributions to history have to do with other aspects of they ways in which they might have participated in that which was common throughout the ages in which they lived. Revising history that way is simply willful ignorance and attempts to create an artificial reality.

Barron and his ilk are yet another threat in the PC crowd's attempt to revise history and take over America with their own version of events and beliefs. These people are simply happy to lie if it furthers their cause. This undermines character, upon which so much has been built in the past.

BO had a point that Barron's way of thinking was very detrimental to the blacks whose interests Barron was purporting to represent. He's right, of course, but as long as they can take over the country, such a means will be justified to reach that end.

There probably have been very good, fundamental reasons people throughout history benevolently wiped out their enemies--to eliminate the detrimental influence of those peoples' pasts and the potential negatives of their future actions might well have, perverse to the beneficent hopes they have for their children's futures, based in a reality worthy of being a foundation for future actions.

HF

58 posted on 01/16/2002 6:02:24 PM PST by holden
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I saw the show too. Unfortunately, I am not so sure this guy's views are all that rare, nowadays. The current HS history texts come very close to teaching those views about Washington, Jefferson, et al. The "slaveholder" business is always thrown in to undercut the founders' greatness. U.S. history has been pretty well trashed, and I don't think it will be easy to restore it.
59 posted on 01/16/2002 6:56:33 PM PST by Irene Adler
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I just watched the replay of O'Reilly's interview. This black guy is a worthless piece of crap. He's just as racist as any KKK member out there. He gives all patriotic blacks a bad name.
60 posted on 01/16/2002 7:10:05 PM PST by oldvike
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Watching right now! Gawd, this guy is so bad it's beyond belief.
61 posted on 01/16/2002 7:11:08 PM PST by VinnyTex
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I saw it. This racist, Marty Markowitz, is a Black Nationalist.

Black Nationalists believe in the overthrow of the United States and the creation of a black nation. Such people should be held, as such actions are against the law. He does not believe that he is an American, as he, and all the other Black Nationalists, believes that only white people are Americans. I guess my black friends will just have to follow this racist, as he demands that they do.

63 posted on 01/16/2002 7:20:10 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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We have our own Black Nationalist on FR: mafree.
64 posted on 01/16/2002 7:20:45 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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Here goes my next suspension: Black is beautiful, tan is grand, but white is the color of the big boss man, Until Condi Takes over in 2009!
66 posted on 01/16/2002 7:35:27 PM PST by ILuvRonnieRaygun
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The most disturbing part of the interview was the Dem's continued reference to "your world" and "my world", as though we're completely separate. O'Reilly had his chance to nail him and missed.
73 posted on 01/17/2002 4:09:36 AM PST by NittanyLion
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O"Reilly has become so consumed with his own self-agrandizement and consumption...I can't stand looking at him anymore.
77 posted on 01/17/2002 4:22:30 AM PST by Neets
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The Thomas Jefferson - Sally Hemings Myth and the Politicization of American History. Go to:

http://www.ashbrook.org/articles/mayer-hemings.html

82 posted on 01/17/2002 5:01:52 AM PST by KeyLargo
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O'Reilly saves his true rage and anger for whites he considers racists. Even with the filthiest of black racist garbage, he remains respectful and far, far too considerate. That is one of O'Reilly's major drawbacks in my opinion. I couldn't have done that interview without bitch slapping that guy to the floor.
103 posted on 01/18/2002 10:46:09 AM PST by rebelsoldier
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The truth is that blacks in general are much more racist than whites. But no one will admit it, for to say so would be racist.
104 posted on 01/19/2002 10:11:37 PM PST by Michael2001
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