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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 13 January 2002
Various big media television networks ^ | 13 January, 2002 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming

Posted on 01/13/2002 4:30:35 AM PST by Alas Babylon!

Guest lineup posted yesterday by FReeper dickmc.


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To: YaYa123
I thought I'd never say this, but CNN deserves a big kudo. Brooks Jackson just delivered a report on Wolf Blizter's Late Edition. He peeled back the onion on the ENRON employee stock option and correctly pointed out that the employee's had plently of opportunity to bail out of the ENRON stock in their 401K's. Only 11% of employee's ENRON holdings were in ENRON matching and thereby restricted. The rest could have been sold, those who didn't sell, had gotten rich on paper voluntarily buying lots of ENRON.

Moreover, he pointed out that the 401K was only locked for 10 trading days in October (employees had been notified about this change in February). During the lockout, ENRON fell about $3 to $4 per share.

Great report, Brooks did his homework on this one.

161 posted on 01/13/2002 9:15:11 AM PST by centurion316
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To: VRWC For Truth
Though I have sympathy for those who lost money, the one to blame is staring at them right in the mirror. These employees were all gung ho when the price of the stock was skyrocketing.

You'll never convince them of that; or the press either; they make too good an interview.

162 posted on 01/13/2002 9:15:51 AM PST by Howlin
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To: centurion316
I saw it.........he did a GREAT job. He refuted practically every single word John Edwards said!!!!!
164 posted on 01/13/2002 9:16:51 AM PST by Howlin
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To: innocentbystander
I said it before and I'll say it again:

Except for MAYBE a period from October 15 to November 15 (the dates are in dispute) the employees could have MOVED their stock at ANY TIME between the high of $82 in January and $13 in the middle of October. Even after the accounts were unfrozen, they STILL could have gotten out at $9 a share.

I would LOVE to know how much they PAID for that stock.

165 posted on 01/13/2002 9:19:02 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
The facts on the 401(k) are as follows:

Any Enron stock which the employee bought with his contribution or outside the plan could be sold at any time. The stock bought within the plan could not be sold for a period of about 2 weeks when they were changing administration of the plan, which was announced back in February of 2001. The changeover period was during the end of October, beginning of November.

Stock contributed by the Company which was in the form of a contribution match to the plan, could not be sold unless you were over 50. This is very common practice my many companies.

So, the only stock they couldn't sell was the stock given to them by the Company. Now, they could claim, since there appears to be malfeasance on the part of the execs, that they deserve the basis of that stock at the time of the 401(k) match. This would be no where near the high valuation of the stock. Any gains on that stock would be unrealized gains and I am afraid that's the way of the market. They agreed to the match and knew they couldn't sell until they were 50.

As for their investment options, they had 20 to choose from.

My guess here is that the employees chose to buy the stock within and also outside the 401(k). They rode it all the way up and then didn't sell as it came down, which BTW,was not nearly as precipitous as the media claims. The stock came down throughout 2001 much like nearly every other stock. The employees are screaming about not getting their unrealized gains because they chose not to sell. Funny thing about the market - it's great when it's up and not so great when it is down.

Other than the employer match, it seems the employees just lost valuation in their stock like everyone else in the market over the past few years.

Congress should stay out of this. They are bound to mess it up!

Someone should sue the press for all the misinformation spewed out in this "scandal."

166 posted on 01/13/2002 9:19:29 AM PST by Wphile
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To: OldFriend
Er........I missed the talking head shows, except for Wolf. Was there a lot of backtracking? I'm trying to read through this thread now!
167 posted on 01/13/2002 9:22:22 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Just to give them a "heads up."

LOL! God, these guys know no bounds.

168 posted on 01/13/2002 9:22:55 AM PST by Wphile
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To: Howlin
If CSPAN reruns this morning's interview with Kristol, be sure to watch the last five minutes.
169 posted on 01/13/2002 9:26:13 AM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: leadpenny
Kristol gave it faint praise by saying, "I'll watch it once in a while."

Kristol and Keyes were roomates at Harvard.

170 posted on 01/13/2002 9:26:50 AM PST by Dane
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To: Miss Marple
Kristol says it will soon become evident the Clinton administration did more for ENRON than Bush Administration

I take it Kristol gets no bonus points from you for the above.

171 posted on 01/13/2002 9:30:07 AM PST by Torie
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To: be-baw;visagoth
Paul O'Neil did a very fine job batting down the outlandish assertions being made by the "wigged-one", Sam Donaldson. This Week threw their very best crap at the Bush Administration. So far, nothing has even come close to sticking.

As far as Don Evans goes, while he's not a ball of energy, he did a good job of defending his unwillingness to take any actions, that would have helped out Enron. Such actions would have given an appearence of preferential treatment by the Bush administration towards Enron.

172 posted on 01/13/2002 9:31:27 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: A Citizen Reporter
I'll look for it, but give me a hint, will ya? (Am I gonna be mad?)
173 posted on 01/13/2002 9:32:55 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Torie
Untrue. I will give him bonus points for that. I am still highly suspicious of him though.

Also, I wonder how much money McCain got from Enron, since he was the head of Commerce until Jeffords jumped ship.

175 posted on 01/13/2002 9:33:42 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
If I recall correctly wasn't it Biden that several weeks into the bombing campaign said that we should stop or the United States would be preceived as a thug????
176 posted on 01/13/2002 9:34:08 AM PST by mware
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To: Howlin
Yeah, Rubin and the entire clinton administration were nothing but one big "head's" up.
177 posted on 01/13/2002 9:35:09 AM PST by rmgatto
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To: innocentbystander
There is another thread here about Kmart facing bankruptcy. Bet lots of people have lost money on that stock as well. Shouldn't Bush step in and stop that one too? (sarcasm)
178 posted on 01/13/2002 9:35:41 AM PST by Wphile
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To: centurion316
Kudos to you for your # 161 report!!!!!

Last night on Capital Gang, Bob Novak told viewers that Brooks Jackson had a great report coming up on Blitzer's show. CNN will replay it often, but we need to spread the word.

So much of this hand wringing media coverage about the poor, pitiful ENRON employees is nothing more than the media echoing Henry Waxman. A combination of 1. Ignorance on their part. 2. Laziness 3. And a overwhelming desire to get the goods on President Bush, VP Cheney.

I'm with Bill Kristol on this...it's not a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy. Media elite goons and whores don't need to conspire with one another..it's a congenital defect in their New York, Washington gene pool.

179 posted on 01/13/2002 9:35:54 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: RobFromGa
Neo-con's are in favor of whatever "faux-Conservative" opinion will allow him to make the most money appearing on talk shows and selling opinion articles while masquerading as a Republican

So where is my money?

180 posted on 01/13/2002 9:37:16 AM PST by Torie
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