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To: Salgak
I have also heard that the first irrational number was proven by an Arab. The concept was so threatening that he was killed the next day, but the concept lived on.

Without Islam, we would not even know half of the Greeks we know today. After the Romans fell, no one in Europe gave a damn about the Greeks, but Islam kept the knowledge alive.

Islam also produced the world's first real "Historian/Social Scientist" in the sense that prior to Ibn Khaldun, history was a mere retelling of facts without explanation. Ibn Khaldun demonstrated that there were natural cycles in the history of empires and regimes. Everything was ultimately caused by Allah, but there were many explained intermediary effects due to causes.

I would also wager based on similarities in reasoning that Adam Smith, the first "economist" had read Ibn Khaldun at some point. Their explanations for the division of labor are quite similar.

Islam's Golden Age may have been a LONG time ago, but it was a true golden age with MANY, MANY accomplishments.

26 posted on 01/11/2002 9:17:07 AM PST by GEC
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To: GEC
Oh, and Ibn Khaldun was alive in the 14th century AD.
27 posted on 01/11/2002 9:18:24 AM PST by GEC
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To: GEC
I have also heard that the first irrational number was proven by an Arab.

Utterly false. It was Pythagoras (or someone in his school) who proved that the square root of two is irrational; the proof is in Euclid. The Pythagoreans did try to keep it secret, and legend has it that a guy who revealed it died under mysterious circumstances at sea.

31 posted on 01/11/2002 9:31:02 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: GEC
After the Romans fell, no one in Europe gave a damn about the Greeks, but Islam kept the knowledge alive.

REally? didn't the Byzantines? There weren't any Muslims at the time.

32 posted on 01/11/2002 9:32:17 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: GEC
Without Islam, we would not even know half of the Greeks we know today. After the Romans fell, no one in Europe gave a damn about the Greeks, but Islam kept the knowledge alive.

What a bloody (and widely believed nonsense). "Romans fell" when the capital of Rome was moved to the Greek eastern part of the Roman Empire. Muslims learned some Greek culture from the conquered Christian Greeks and some of it passed to the Western Christians through conquered Spain. Eastern part of Roman Empire survived together with Greek learning until XVc despite Muslim conquest. Then many Byzantine scholars moved to Italy.

Greek knowledge survived DESPITE Islam and Islam was the CAUSE for the destruction of Greco-Roman Christian civilisation in North Africa, Levant and Asia Minor. Muslims came from the savage and primitive Arabia, lived in tents and were largely illiterate. Even mosques were designed for them by the Christian architects.

Muslim civilisations were build on the backs of enslaved people and declined with the number of their slaves. If Muslims take over West we will see another "flowering" of their civilisation.

109 posted on 02/03/2002 3:43:18 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: GEC
Islam's Golden Age may have been a LONG time ago, but it was a true golden age with MANY, MANY accomplishments.

But the way they describe it, it was from the 700's well into 1800's. Pretty much includes the dark ages, you might say they caused it.

How much is "many,many" ? I know a 'couple' is 2, a 'few' is more than 2, and 'many' is maybe 10, "many, many" may then be 20. I have yet to hear of a 'few' accomplishments for a culture that sat on time for 1400 years and still going down hill.

157 posted on 02/06/2002 7:25:18 AM PST by duckln
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To: GEC
Without Islam, we would not even know half of the Greeks we know today. After the Romans fell, no one in Europe gave a damn about the Greeks, but Islam kept the knowledge alive.

you're WRONG. The Byzantines kept that knowledge alive
201 posted on 08/29/2004 6:25:25 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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