Posted on 01/08/2002 9:55:32 AM PST by Bush2000
Follow-up, Bush2000, to the car design comments of Tuesday and comparison to computer industry: When you get a chance, take a look at second section (Marketplace) of Wall Street Journal, today, Wednesday, January 9, 2002, pages B1 and B5:
"The New Celebrities: Car Designers" by Todd Zaun and Gregory White.
"[The role of car designers] in the auto industry grows as more consumers pick style over horsepower.....consumers' tastes are shifting from concern about horsepower and fuel economy to a craving for style."
People that don't care if their web server/desktop machine/refrigerator get hacked are the cause of much grief to other Internet users. If one doesn't recognize this and build in security accordingly, one's OS will continue to be hacked regularly costing businesses millions of dollars in lost time and pissing off those of us that think it's rude.
Personally, I'd like to see someone pull a Jay and Silent Bob routine on people that let their machines get infected. I know that the thought crossed through my mind while I was putting block rules in my firewall to stop 7,231 machines on my DSL provider's network alone from constantly querying my webserver day and night.
If someone went around to every Windows user that got infected with such worms with a baseball bat and reduced their machines to sparking junk, Microsoft would have a much smaller footprint in the market.
Knitebane
That is your estimation - as I proffered in post #62, people care about design, apparently, over function, as the WSJ article discusses.
Same will/has happened in other product lines. In my not necessarily esteemed estimation, that's why the original iMac was successful, its color/design. Not necessarily its ease of use, or for what it did.
Also, the iMac concept was successful, apparently, consider how many grey boxes are now 'colored'.....
Given that, I think we will soon see another round of various hardware manufacturers redesigning, not necessarily improving the innards, ala automotive industry.
And finally, read recently that either BMW or Mercedes will be working on a common 'car' for the innards, but will be offering various "outsides". Sort of like elevations of a house.
I think you are wrong on this one, Bushy. Don't misjudge popular culture!
What you and I *were* talking about was design and function - you are now assuming that I was talking about95% market share of your Windows and their 5% Macs....wrong.
If all "PCs" (as in Windows boxes) are plain, then why do manufacturers offer and sell different colors, etc? Some PCs (pick your OS) are quite elegant in design.
Again, geez [pause, sounds like I'm talking to my Uncle Earl's grandfather, and he's been in a coma since 1989], you, Bush2000,basically opine that:
"form does not matter":
I, bwteim, state:
"it do......"
I'm gonna have to take you out behind my firewall and knock some sense into you... /heheheh.
If the reply is "Never!" I know my work is cut out for me, because not only have they been hacked, they don't even know it.
The vast majority of Windows machines have insufficient logging to determine if a hack has taken place. I've seen Trusted Solaris machines running Checkpoint get hacked so thinking that a firewall can't be hacked is ludicrous.
If you really think that you can't be hacked, you are fooling yourself. Typically, hacks come in over ports that the firewall allows, for instance, in order for a web server to be useful, TCP port 80 must be open for incoming traffic. Thus, the attack takes place on the web server over port 80. The firewall never even sees the attack.
Anyone that thinks that a firewall can secure a network has no idea how a network actually works.
This is the kind of thinking that makes Windows the number one hacked OS.
Knitebane
Tuesday January 08 09:29 PM EST
I guess this likewise "proves" that ABC makes the best television entertainment!
"Numbers equals quality".
Not!
I wonder, would it be kosher for ABC employees to come on here and continually post ABC press releases? This is starting to sound like a cheap way to launch a business . . .
How about addressing the form vs function issue. I did not come up with the 95%. It could be any number.
:)
I prefer the cheap PC's, personally. Never owned a Mac.
I see Apples as the 'Lexus' of computers. Higher priced, and definitely a better machine.
But I definitely have no taste, as far as 'aesthitics' are concerned. My wife won't even let me dress myself.
I was just pointing out that 'more PCs sell' isn't evidence of quality, and shouldn't have been used as a point for trying to prove that PCs are 'better'.
I know *your* only concern is how your employer fares, and how much they make.
The rest of us are far more interested in actual quality, power, etc. issues.
I prefer PCs for many reasons. But your insulting of Mac users is pathetic. Macs are good machines with a good OS. To each their own.
Oh, that is so true. I have a system, on which I have running (if I want) in separate windows:
- Linux
- Windows NT
- Windows 2000
- Windows 95
I can drag/drop between Windows -- its the funniest thing ever! Can't do that on a PC!!!
Just out of curiosity, how many of those (other than Linus's toy OS) have you paid for?
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