Hepatitis shots urged for newborns { DON'T}

AP ^ | January 7, 2002 | AP

[expose]

CHICAGO (AP)

[Bullpine]

Thanks for the Sowell articles.

[TomB]

Are you also deeply concerned about the flouridation in your water?

OH PLEASE don't go there!

I can only handle so many of those threads in a year. ;-)

[bonesmccoy]

Dear tramp,

You wrote,

"But you don't give your patients information about how they can report side effects or lingering conditions they get after receiving a vaccination? No wonder you have a 100% success rate."

I give out the required Vaccine Information handouts to the point that many of our parents do not want the extra copies that are mandated by law. Yes, that's right. Even though I gave you the exact document only 6-8 weeks before, I give the same photocopy to you again. But, some parents are fed up with the lame way our gov't requires things. The handouts clearly specify the side effects and the procedures for reporting them. I guess you don't read many Vaccine Information Statements. Do you?

[bonesmccoy]

"Would you turn a parent in to the federal government for refusing to give their child a maditory vaccine?"

I believe the word is spelled "mandatory".

There are NO MANDATORY vaccines from anybody! Would you people please cease with the anti-American and anti-family, pro-Marxist gibberish!

[bonesmccoy]

Dear Gail,

You are incorrect and mistaken. You are also giving out incorrect medical information. Please reconsider your position and your habits. Clearly, your information is not complete and incorrect. In fact, it is so incorrect that not one doctor in our area would support it.

The number of shots is irrelevant in the side effect profile. The issue is the content of each vaccine. I have already discussed the issue of a little, short-term fever after usual vaccines. Those fevers reflect the FACT that the child's immune system has properly responded to the vaccine and that the baby is definitely immune to the vaccine. I would rather know that the baby had a low-grade fever after a shot then not. At least when the baby has a low-grade fever, we know that they are immune to the vaccine contents.

AGAIN. YOU ARE INCORRECT. PLEASE CONSIDER THESE MEDICAL FACTS. EOM

[a contender]

How many people were crippled or killed polio on an annual basis before universal vaccination? How many people annual contract polio from the dead virus vaccine? Neither of these questions are answered in your post.

I have answered your questions. Your first question was if I'd seen a polio victim, I said yes. Then you ask the question here, I answered you and said it is on "Dr. Len Horowitz" website or in his book "Emerging Viruses" which YOU can look up yourself.

Are you also deeply concerned about the flouridation in your water?

No I'm not, we have our own well water.

[a contender]

I know right now there are no mandatory vaccinations, that wasn't my question.

If there were madatory vaccinatons, would you turn a parent in for refusing to vaccinate their child?

I don't think that is an anti-American question. I'd just like to know what a conservative doctor would do in this situation.

[Rowdee]

Not all veterinary vaccines are administered annually, example is brucellosis.

You've mentioned twice now, at least, something about annually vaccinating your pets for rabies....my dogs are done every other year.

As to no thought being given as to frequency, this has to be at a certain management/bureaucratic level.

I guess when we raised livestock we were blessed with a group of veterinarians who didn't 'roll with the flow', so to speak. They had no problem speaking out about the necessity of a lot of things. My favorite vet was extremely concerned with the testing of titer levels in blood and what they actually mean.

[karebare]

I have the data saved. I'm not the best with the computer. I will try to transfer it. I know we do not make these vaccinations in this country. The closest is Canada. And they do not use our animals.

[Harrison Bergeron]

"You've mentioned twice now, at least, something about annually vaccinating your pets for rabies....my dogs are done every other year."

Rabies is sold in 1 year and 3 year strengths, the one year dose being the less expensive of the two and administered by many municipalities for free at annually held clinics. Most vets, ostensibly being overly cautious, administer the 3 year vaccine at two year intervals. In actuality, the 3 year vaccine should remain viable in most pets for at least 4 years. You are correct about the brucellosis vaccine, it's typically the only one given annually. But the parvo and distemper shots - not being required by law - can be over-administered by careless or overly cautious vet practices.

[karebare]

There is plenty available ,just none made in the U.S. It's all made in Europe,out of European cows parts..

[a contender]

Look, I have answered your questions. You believe what you want. I have seen the government documents POSTED on Dr. Len Horowitz website, I've seen them on his video and I have copies of them from the book "Emerging Viruses". Its documented research, that YOU can obtain through the federal registary at your local library using the numbers on these documents. I don't care what a "prayer machine" is, I saw the government documents. Nobody believes in exactly the same things anyway.

If you have kids, go pump them full of all the contaminated vaccinations you want, no skin off my nose. I just don't want some Socialist to force me to give them to mine...Have a nice day...

[mom of 2 GOP kids]

I'm not anti-vaccination or anything, just curious. The CDC web site say's the hepB vaccine has been available since 1982, 20 years ago. How come you didn't have your older son vaccinated when it became available? Why did choose to keep him at risk? Am I missing something?

UH, maybe because my son was born in '78? Hep B vaccines, although apparently "available" were not widely used "back then". Since you quote the article, maybe you ought to go back and read it.

The site states that in "In 1991, the ACIP recommended a comprehensive hepatitis B vaccination strategy to eliminate HBV transmission in the United States." This apparently targeted newborns and primary school age children. "In 1994, the ACIP expanded the recommendations to include previously unvaccinated children aged 11-12 years " - Since my son was nearing graduation from high school then, he didn't fall into the guidelines - IF he was even seeing a pediatrician at the time, which he wasn't.

Better to check out the situation before posting baiting comments.

[karebare]

My files are on a different computer. But if you'll look into it ,these companies are American owned ,but they do not manufacture the products here.

Avant,Incyte,Oravax.There have been no vaccination recalls during or since the mad cow outbreak.

They all manufacture in Europe or Canada. I have asked many questions ,of many people. And guess what,no one ever tells me that I'm wrong. I have heard "it's the law". So wrap me in tin foil,I don't trust the free trade agreements!

[Unbeliever]

The look-at-you-as-though-(whatever) technique must be taught in Medical schools to deal with people who have questions you don't have a really good answer for.

I've always preferred "Do you have any idea what a Louisville Slugger tastes like?" as the answer to that look.

[Harrison Bergeron]

Len Horowitz is an internet conspiracy huxter who claims that the AIDS virus was an American made bio-weapon with origins in Nazi Germany. He spins similar tales regarding the formerly common killer diseases that we've since conquered with vaccines, which he of course claims is all part of the conspiracy. It just boggles my mind that the vaccine conspiracy people, the banking conspiracy people, and the NWO conspiracy people all tend to intersect at wild spy stories involving Henry Kissinger in his younger days.

[Harrison Bergeron]

"Not all veterinary vaccines are administered annually, example is brucellosis."

My mistake, I was thinking of bordatella (kennel cough), a very weak vaccine that is administered annually even by the homeopathic vets.

[TomB]

No I'm not, we have our own well water.

You do realize that fluoride is naturally occurring in levels euqal to or greater than the recommended concentration in many areas of the counrty, don't you?

One of those areas happens to be parts of north Florida.