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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; southflanknorthpawsis
The better question would be, Cite and source just one instance when a leading FReeping Keyester has (A) been confronted with any of the many specific instances which have been cited (and sourced) of Keyes' arrogance, pettiness, legalistic hyper-criticism, self-serving and condescension, (B) acknowledged it rather than rationalizing it, and (C) displayed credible and significant concern over this destructive, divisive, and cause-dismantling trait.

Don't you think?

Dan

751 posted on 01/11/2002 5:26:13 PM PST by BibChr
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To: BibChr
Don't you think?

Works for me.........: )

758 posted on 01/11/2002 5:31:34 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: BibChr
If I wanted peace and charity, I would not answer this question, nor would I ask it.

Give it a rest, and let's see what good we can do together!

Cheers,

Richard F.

762 posted on 01/11/2002 5:50:51 PM PST by rdf
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To: BibChr
Dan,

I am your fellow believer in Christ. I am still offended at your blanket condemnation of 'Keyesters' as 'Kultists'. Your attitude thereafter, when it was pointed out to you in black and white, was far from exemplary as well, IMO.

Let me remind you once again that I know far more of them than you do, and while there may be a small handful of 'nuts' (as there is in any large group), the VAST majority are mature, thinking, principled Christians who think for themselves, and make their political decisions based on those core beliefs. One last time...your assessment of them is just plain wrong.

All of that being said, your unresponsiveness is now between you and our Lord...I have totally rolled this on Him, having done what I could do to get you to see that what you did was unrighteous...you and He can deal with it henceforth.

As to whether Alan Keyes is condescending or arrogant...how many politicians or media types or Harvard Doctors have you known? Pride is an epidemic in Washington D.C...if ego sold by the pound there, it would be going for about .02 cents per.

But let's say for the sake of argument that pride is a besetting sin of Alan Keyes...it wouldn't be surprising that a Christian man such as he would have to work to not be overcome by that sin, wouldn't you say?...especially someone of Keyes' obvious intelligence and abilities.

But I have watched the man up close and personal many, many times...he has in most every case been humble...praying willingly with those who ask him to do so...staying far beyond a scheduled event because there were still people who had questions...I have also seen fatigue get the best of him and seen him slip. (How about you Dan...you ever slip into your besetting sins in moments of weakness?) (If you had to keep the schedule he kept for the last few years fighting for the conservative cause, you'd be tired and irritable at times as well.)

No matter how you and others attempt to tear the man down, the truth is he has already done more for our country and for our cause than all of his critics combined...and then some...even with his faults.

Remember this...the President has had to struggle with the same sin...don't you remember 'the smirk'?? He has by a force of will and the grace of God overcome that tendency almost entirely...to his credit.

"Condemn not, lest thou be condemned."

765 posted on 01/11/2002 6:04:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: BibChr
The better question would be, Cite and source just one instance when a leading FReeping Keyester has (A) been confronted with any of the many specific instances which have been cited (and sourced) of Keyes' arrogance, pettiness, legalistic hyper-criticism, self-serving and condescension, (B) acknowledged it rather than rationalizing it, and (C) displayed credible and significant concern over this destructive, divisive, and cause-dismantling trait.

Don't you think?

Yes Dan, I do. But that would require intellectual honesty, and I...well, I can't say what I think at this stage in the conversation, because it would be far too blunt and borderline personal, and I promised myself I wouldn't go there.

I'll just say you have their whole trip pegged.

767 posted on 01/11/2002 6:19:33 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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