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Engineers Only.. Refining the Drug War
Jhoffa_X

Posted on 01/04/2002 11:46:07 AM PST by Jhoffa_

Can we or can we not roll up in a huge truck and use hydraulics to force a .5" steel blade 8' into the ground?


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To: Wolfie
LOL
21 posted on 01/04/2002 11:58:39 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: michigander
Chooo Chooo....
22 posted on 01/04/2002 11:58:40 AM PST by Eaker
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To: Jhoffa_
BTW, if you're looking for a way to plug somebody's sewer, simply insert a balloon from the city's side at the connection to the main. That's MUCH simpler and cheaper.
23 posted on 01/04/2002 11:59:01 AM PST by jimt
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To: jimt
To heck with that, load me up on chicken wings, pizza, and beer, and I'll do it a lot easier than that.
24 posted on 01/04/2002 12:00:25 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Jhoffa_
Call Miss Utility first. Hitting a gas line would be real bad news.
25 posted on 01/04/2002 12:01:34 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: jimt
JimT

If the Government had a truck capable of rolling up in your drive.. and ramming a blade into your sewer line. severing it..

They could analize the contents and therefore not bust down your front door with a battering ram, bust your toilet with a sledgehammer and hold your family hostage.. At gunpoint, I might add.

Then, they could come knock on the door like civilized folk.

And if they made a mistake.. ? HEY! I suppose it would be up to your city to foot the bill... (Read very visible Tax Dollars) Now, wouldnt it?

26 posted on 01/04/2002 12:03:10 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
The answer is "NO". Next question?
27 posted on 01/04/2002 12:03:29 PM PST by balrog666
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To: Virginia-American
I'm lost, just how the hell does a .5" spike 8' in the ground "refine the drug war"?
28 posted on 01/04/2002 12:03:33 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: Jhoffa_
More info needed. 1/2" thick steel, 8'-0" tall blade,correct?

Blade width how wide?

Approximate soil density?

Rocky terrain?

Wooded/Forest area?

Required speed of penetration?

I'm not an engineer, but work with them a lot, and I've got lots of reference books- I can give you a good educated guess.

29 posted on 01/04/2002 12:03:42 PM PST by DETAILER
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To: Jhoffa_
Yes, but you must call the utilities first before digging.

You may be liable for repair of underground cables, gas, and water lines.

30 posted on 01/04/2002 12:03:55 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Jhoffa_
what are you trying to prevent, flushing the stash? You'd be better off setting up an intercept where the house line comes in from. You'd run into some problems with your request as mentioned above.
31 posted on 01/04/2002 12:05:01 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Ken H
ahh..

We are the State.. We will do any damn thing we please..

Sig Heil!

32 posted on 01/04/2002 12:05:25 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: all
It sounds like he's trying to retreive his flushed dope. Close call was it?
33 posted on 01/04/2002 12:07:23 PM PST by Jim Pelosi
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To: Ken H
The answer is yes if the blade?? is driven with a sufficient velocity.....The truck could be light as long as the blade is not too heavy and the powder charge is small enough. Iv'e seen nails driven into steel beams with just a .22 bullett charge and a hand tool.
34 posted on 01/04/2002 12:08:16 PM PST by john639753
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To: Jhoffa_
You did not answer my question about the type of ground...you have not given enough info to really solve your problem...but I am quessing that it cannot be done.
35 posted on 01/04/2002 12:08:44 PM PST by ResistorSister
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To: CJ Wolf

Hey, alternatives are GREAT!

But, the point being the State does not NEED to bust down peoples doors and put guns in their faces..

Right?

They can come and knock.. casually..

36 posted on 01/04/2002 12:08:51 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
No you cannot just drive up in a truck and force a "blade" into typical earth 8 feet. The blade would have to be thick enough to withstand the force. The only reasonable way would be with a piledriver, and even this would take prep and a fair amount of time. In short...your druggies or their drugs will be gone.
37 posted on 01/04/2002 12:08:56 PM PST by umgud
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To: Jim Pelosi

You got it..

Why bust down the door and shake guns in peoples faces to be sure they can't "flush" the stash..

Just catch it a few feet downriver..

It's the perfect answer to the "drug war" problem.

38 posted on 01/04/2002 12:11:23 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
Not practical--the blade would need a flute behind it capable of bringing the sample to the surface, or open a hole big enough for a probe to follow. Even then, there's no real purpose to such a thing; a) you'd be damaging their property or public property without a shred of due process at huge expense, b) you'd screw up sewage function for the whole damn block when you did the first few, c) there's no guarantee (and relatively little chance if you want speed) that a sample taken will contain what you're looking for--consider how much dishwater/washer/tap/non-contaminated toiletwater you use--unless you spike the septic tank, usually in the back yard and NOT pleasant to rupture, and d)the validity of the sample would be easily questionable and thus probably inadmissable, and they'd have no charges. Too costly for too little gain.
39 posted on 01/04/2002 12:11:26 PM PST by Pistias
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To: Jhoffa_
Please allow a humble architect to reply

The width of the steel is irrelevant. The thickness is. At 0.5" and 8' length, the slenderness ratio would kill you UNLESS you were able to support the steel continuously along its length while being inserted (by any means) into the ground.

My question back to you - what does the truck have to do with the question? I can weld an 8' length of steel to the nose of a B-1 and power-dive it into the ground. The steel rod and everything else would probably be 8' or more beneath the finish grade.

40 posted on 01/04/2002 12:17:20 PM PST by T. Rustin Noone
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