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To: WRhine
2 Issues here:
1. Although I do believe in expanded social services (No, I'm not a Socialist) I'll agree that no money/services (except basic health svcs.) should be given to illegal immigrants. Federal/State/Local help should go to Citizens/Residents who need it. (Like my wife, who after many years as a taxpayer is now an Enron ex-employee)
2. Those millions of hard working Americans are not loosing their jobs to illegal immigrants, they are loosing them to overseas work forces. Ask Mr. Ford why they're moving manufacturing to Mexico and he will tell you that they are made cheaper so when they bring them back and sell them in the US they can make more money. Is called Globalization. We design it, they make it , we buy it.
Is a very difficult balance. Americans want their SUVs bigger and their Gas cheaper... Are you willing to pay an unionized oil worker $35/hr. or more to produce oil in the US? Pay between $5.00 and $7.50 per Gallon? Most Americans do not.
I do feel sorry for those who can not afford education and even more for those who think they don't need it... the future is going to the very hard for them.
674 posted on 01/02/2002 1:42:50 PM PST by Carlitos
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To: Carlitos
Ask Mr. Ford why they're moving manufacturing to Mexico and he will tell you that they are made cheaper so when they bring them back and sell them in the US they can make more money. Is called Globalization.

Huh? Mr. Ford was the one who shoved nafta and gatt down most Americans very unwilling throats? Patience hell, I'm going to hunt him down and throttle him .... oh, I'm too late, you say.

678 posted on 01/02/2002 1:51:09 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Carlitos
Is a very difficult balance. Americans want their SUVs bigger and their Gas cheaper... Are you willing to pay an unionized oil worker $35/hr. or more to produce oil in the US? Pay between $5.00 and $7.50 per Gallon? Most Americans do not. I do feel sorry for those who can not afford education and even more for those who think they don't need it... the future is going to the very hard for them.

The issue is ILLEGAL immigration! I said nothing about wage and price competition from international commerce. That is why I termed the decline in wages for some Americans that are impacted by illegal immigration as ARTIFICAL. They aren't supposed to be here anyway! You can talk all you want about your future vision of America (it's hardly original as any WSJ reader would know) but as the population of 3rd world immigrants continues to grow in this country and as more of them vote you can forget about returning America to its conservative limited government roots. America will only accelerate its move towards socialism, ever higher taxes, ever greater welfare spending (at the expense of the military), more erosion of freedoms and more morally bankrupt presidencies like Clinton. It's already happening. People like you are the useful idiots of the left.

757 posted on 01/02/2002 3:11:18 PM PST by WRhine
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