Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
So you believe abortion is a constitutional right? It must be. Afterall the "Top court of our land" said so.
I imagine if the "Top court of the land" declared the bill of rights null and void you'd just think it was swell.
The world did stay in the 1700's due to the Constitution tp.
Read the platform
We went to the moon and sent some mechanical stuff to Mars. Just a few things have happened since the 1700s. We even ended slavery. Was that unconstitutional for you also? LOL
So you can quote where they call for the elimination of government? You must also have a passle of links to libertarian threads here on FR that echo that call for elimination. On the other hand, I can see right here on this thread, within the last few dozen posts a libertarian calling for the continuation of Constitutional government. Do you know his mind better than he? Don't play so fast and loose with the truth.
313 posted by tpaine
The constitution is the foundation, but like an older house the congress wrote new laws that were necessary to deal with the present and future. The Constitution did not mention computers, cell phones and airplanes. The world did stay in the 1700's due to the Constitution tp.
Good grief. -- Do you really believe congress has the power to 'write new law' that in effect ignores or amends the constitution? Go back to school, son.
Libertarians support tough laws that punish "real" criminals. We only fight against laws that imprison people for consensual behavior that harms no-one.
And by the way, crime is up in Los Angeles over the last year. So I don't know if thatdamages your argument or not, but it is a reality.
>>I would like to see at least monthly education in all schools for staying away from drugs. Starting in early grade school.<<
It has already been tried in most school districts over that last 20 years. It is called the DARE program. Studies have shown that either it does no good at all or it makes things slightly worse. The DARE program originated in Los Angeles by the way.
>>There is also a cause and effect issue surrounding what you want. On FR we've had many articles by people who want to legalize illegal drugs and say the effect of legalization would be to grow drug addicts. So that would be contranry to what you want also.<<
I think you have some things mixed up here. If we go back to when alcohol was made legal, we can see that a very large number of people began using alcohol again, who were not using it during prohibition. But these were law abiding people. When law abiding people use alcohol the vast majority (over 90%) do not have problems with it.
Most anti-WOD people will go along with the idea that a lot of responsible law abiding people will begin using some of these drugs "reponsibly". We will not see a big upswing in addictions, as the people who are prone to addiction do not let the law stand in their way anyway.
In addition, a lot of law abiding people are currently pushed into using alcohol, when that is probably the most dangerous drug known. Many of these people will drift away from alcohol and begin using pot. This will be better for everyone.
So on the actual direct effect of the drugs themselves, I think the situation will not change much. The illegal drugs are actually much less harmful than alcohol. I would add here that deaths due to tainted drugs will plummet, and most heroin related deaths are of this type.
The real benefits of ending the drug war will be improved respect for the law, improved respect for the police, reduced police and court corruption, reduced funding of the worst scum in the world (terror groups included) and on and on.
Freedom works, prohibition does not.
The 3 strikes law is constitutional and I voted in favor of it. Reducing crime is a good thing. Curtailing our liberties is not. All the arguments you make against drugs can also be made against guns, religion or whatever else is deemed too dangerous for the public. Essentially you're saying that we're all too stupid and irresponsible to live our own lives and that Mommy Government should do it for us.
There now roscoe, 'Read the platform' has been repeated enough for any one thread.
Please desist.
Little Katie and Little Mattie claim it is Republicans like you that want to do away with government.
There has been additional law created because there was a need. I think the courts upheld the Congressional laws regarding illegal drug laws. The ACLU who wants to destroy America would have been trying to champion the challenge in court against the Feds to undermine this country if they could. I'm sure they tried and failed.
I am very conservative by the way. I would be to the right of Reagan in all likelyhood David.
No it has not been challenged. If you look at the history of court challenges, they typically require a group with a strong economic interest to fund the challenge. I have been in the anti-WOD movement for 25 years, and I can tell you for sure that there is no-one in this movement with a significant economic interest in ending these laws. George Soros and a few other libertarian millionaires have finally emerged, but they are convinced that the ballot box is the most efficient route to overturn these laws.
One of the problems is the court has a long history of accepting statements made by congress at face value. So laws based on total lies are perfectly constitutional. The CSA is a good example. Nearly every statement in the law is false. So congress has learned how to get around the limits of the constitution, they simply write lies into law and the courts accept them as facts.
You say that to me after you wrote this in post 266?
"All laws that have been enacted by Congress are not Constitutional even though all laws have been tied to the powers granted in the Constitution by Congress as part of passing the law. "
Do you still have your constitution coloring book or are you just having a bad day today?
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