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Violence Returns To Argentina
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Posted on 12/29/2001 8:27:34 AM PST by RCW2001

Saturday, 29 December, 2001, 08:41 GMT

Violence returns to Argentina


Protesters outside a government building in Buenos Aires
Protesters banged pots and pans
Police in the Argentine capital Buenos Aires have used tear gas and water cannons to disperse thousands of protesters, less than a week after a new government came into office to deal with the country's economic crisis.

Demonstrators broke into the Congress building in the early hours of Saturday, setting fire to curtains and breaking furniture.

A bank and a McDonalds restaurant were also ransacked, and one of the main railway stations was attacked.

Protesters were angry that the new government has maintained emergency restrictions on withdrawing money from banks.



All the politicians are as corrupt as each other and all we can do is take to the streets to protest
Argentinean protester

They also complained that some members of the new government had links with previous regimes' corruption.

The protests triggered the first resignation from the new government when Carlos Grosso, newly appointed as chief adviser to the cabinet, stepped down.

Show of anger

Amid occasional violence, two policemen were reported to have been injured after police in riot gear cleared the plaza in front of the government building where protesters had gathered.

However the Associated Press news agency reported that teenagers continued to throw stones at police once the crowd dispersed.

Protester with pan vents his anger

People had congregated in the early hours of the morning, bashing saucepans and drums.

Waving the national flag, they came from all directions to gather in the Plaza de Mayo in the centre of Buenos Aires in front of the government house.

Others headed for the nearby congress building waving their shirts in the air on a hot and humid night.

The demonstrators, in what appears to be a spontaneous show of anger, said they were demanding an end to corruption.

Their anger is directed at the country's economic crisis and the interim Peronist government of President Adolfo Rodriguez Saa, who came to office following the resignation of former president Fernando de la Rua.

Mr de la Rua resigned after street protests and rioting triggered by economic hardship left at least 25 people dead.

Mr Rodriguez Saa announced new measures to control the economic crisis including a suspension of foreign debt payments and plans to provide cash to cope with poverty and unemployment.

Economic chaos


Argentina's economic woes
Public foreign debts of $132bn
Unemployment at 18%
Economy in recession for four years
Savers only allowed to withdraw $1,000 a month in cash
2,000 people drop below poverty line each day
Pensions to 1.4m retirees delayed

The violence subsided for a few days, but returned to the capital on Friday when protestors set light to a train and damaged one of the main railway stations in Buenos Aires.

Fire fighters arriving at the scene were pelted with stones and rubbish bins.

Some analysts say the new populist government is searching for quick solutions to placate a population which has been plunged from a relatively wealthy society into economic chaos.

"It is just too much," said one protester.

"All the politicians are as corrupt as each other and all we can do is take to the streets to protest."

The BBC's Daniel Schweimler, in Buenos Aires, says the patience of many Argentines with their political leaders has now worn very thin.


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1 posted on 12/29/2001 8:27:34 AM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
All the politicians are as corrupt as each other and all we can do is take to the streets to protest Argentinean protester

Just like America

2 posted on 12/29/2001 8:29:59 AM PST by expose
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To: expose
Buchannon has a good article on this at WorldNetDaily. At least the bankers are getting richer off it.
4 posted on 12/29/2001 8:42:16 AM PST by steve50
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To: I_Had_Enough
Argentina news wires..click
7 posted on 12/29/2001 8:46:29 AM PST by newsperson999
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To: RCW2001
Reuters Photo
Argentine demonstrators gather outside the presidential palace December 29, 2001 angered at the new government's handling of a deep recession. A dozen police officers were injured as they used tear gas to break up what had been a peaceful overnight demonstration but later saw protesters looting Congress and starting small fires. (Enrique Medina/Reuters)

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An Argentine demonstrator sets a bonfire during clashes outside the presidential palace in Buenos Aires, early on December 29, 2001. Demonstrators clashed with police as they used tear gas to break up what had been a peaceful demonstration in which thousands of people took to the streets to protest interim President Adolfo Rodriguez Saa's decision to keep unpopular banking curbs and his appointment of some officials widely seen as corrupt. (Enrique Marcarian/Reuters)
Associated Press
Thousands of Argentines banging pots and pans protest a month-old banking freeze limiting cash withdrawals in Buenos Aires, Saturday, Dec. 29, 2001. Riot police fired barrages of tear gas and rubber bullets early Saturday at rock-throwing demonstrators as the large but peaceful protest against government austerity measures degenerated into violence. The spontaneous outburst is the second time Argentina's struggling middle class shows their frustration since similar protests a week ago helped topple thepresidency of Fernando De la Rua. (AP Photo/Daniel Luna)

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8 posted on 12/29/2001 9:30:02 AM PST by Rain-maker
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To: Rain-maker
Well I'm not sure it's the "struggling middle class" that is starting bonfires. Looks like the Seattle anarchist types to me. This smells of a successful leftist putsch, and not a spontaneous uprising of housewives. Expect to see further clampdown soon, now that the commie Peronists are in power illegitimately. They will consolidate and rule by decree.
9 posted on 12/29/2001 9:52:55 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: patchpics
Either you can have corrupt cronyism and socialism in your government or you can have a healthy capitalist democracy. You can't have both.
10 posted on 12/29/2001 10:24:10 AM PST by KantianBurke
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To: RCW2001
?? CNN's lead story ??
:-(
Money 'backed' by IMF, WTO,...coal?
Where's the 'BEEF'?
11 posted on 12/29/2001 10:24:59 AM PST by maestro
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To: RCW2001
BTTT
12 posted on 12/29/2001 11:10:39 AM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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To: KantianBurke
Either you can have corrupt cronyism and socialism in your government or you can have a healthy capitalist democracy. You can't have both.

While I'm not defending Argentinian politicians, it's not as simple as cronyism and socialism. US government (Clinton & now Bush) and IMF talked Argentina into making some BAD economic moves. First, we encouraged them to peg peso to US$. Then Clinton and Bush keep the US$ artificially high to maintain the inflow of overseas investing that is propping up our stock market, real estate market and overall high standard of living.

Of course, this puts Argentina into a competitive disadvantage with its trading partners, so their economy goes into recession. And they have trouble meeting their debt obligations. So we threaten them with a cutoff of IMF funds unless they CUT government spending and RAISE interest rates - the exact OPPOSITE of what US politicians are now doing when in the Argentinians' shoes.

The thing is, we are only postponing the day when Americans riot like the Argentinians are doing now. When the Baby Boomers realize that their stocks and houses are worth only a fraction of what they paid for them, that Social Security can't help them all, and that they basically spent their children's inheritance on SUVs and trips to Disneyland in the 1990's, they'll be very unhappy campers!

13 posted on 12/29/2001 11:13:49 AM PST by Arleigh
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To: steve50
At least the bankers are getting richer off it.

How so?

14 posted on 12/29/2001 11:38:38 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
My eldest sister lives in Buenos Aires, and their biggest concern is random robbery, mostly at the local bodega and supermarket.Depending on the neighbourhood, most stay indoors all day, and the expats have come to the conclusion that curfews and martial law will arrive to quell the lawlessness.They are also fortunate that they have their assets in cash and don't hold Argentine bank accounts and get paid in US dollars.
15 posted on 12/29/2001 11:48:36 AM PST by habs4ever
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To: KantianBurke
The Argentinean collapse - another IMF triumph

As predicted here, the Argentinean economic policy collapsed last week in an orgy of anger in the streets where almost 20 percent of the population is unemployed and the rest are threatened by financial ruin. They took their anger out on the Finance Ministry, the erstwhile home of Domingo Cavallo, the architect of the policy of pegging the currency to the US dollar on a one-to-one ratio under what is known as a currency board. In delicious, if futile, revenge they torched the dreaded ministry.

The elected President resigned to be replaced by a temporary fill-in of a provincial governor whilst new elections are planned in the next 60 days. In the meantime, there is no effective economic policy but the local currency, the peso, is trading at about 1.5 to the USD on the streets and the futures market expects it to be a two to one within a year.

Argentina's USD 150 billion of foreign debt is trading at between 25 and 30 cents on the dollar reflecting the reality that it is will inevitably go into formal default within days.

Such a tragedy, so long in the making, has several fathers, although like any illegitimate child they have all rushed for cover. The DNA tests will however identify the IMF's as a prime suspect. With the enthusiastic support of the US Treasury, they were the proponents of the concept of a currency board to cure Argentina's endemic hyperinflation - which in the 1980s and early 1990s paralleled that of the 1930s Weimar Republic. It was supposed to cure hyperinflation, eliminate all chance of devaluation by maintaining at all times enough dollars in the central bank to cover the Argentine pesos in circulation and, thereby, encourage investment in the country and keep Argentine money in Argentine banks, rather than those of Miami, Madrid and Milan.

Coupled with a policy of privatisation that brought in much needed foreign investment from the US and Spain, the Argentineans engaged in an orgy of borrowing, most of it denominated in US dollars. The problem was that the country saved only 17 percent of GDP but invested (or consumed 23-25 percent). This compared with most Asian countries that save between 30 and 40 percent of GDP. But the geniuses who run large international banks and international organisations did not seriously try and address the imbalances for many years. They were delighted with the fees that accrued from lending more and more.

In this respect, we recall a conversation with the President of one of the largest US banks in 1995, claiming that Argentina would wipe the floor with Asia (including China) in the long run. He was oblivious to arguments about savings rates, education levels or work ethic. We heartily disagreed and concluded that he was either completely incompetent, had been seduced by a Latin lovely or had spent too long at too high an altitude in his executive jet with the controlled substances of the Pampas. (It was probably a combination of all three.) He has long gone, taken his multi-million dollar package at the shareholders expense, and left his bank in a very exposed position. Good corporate governance where art thou? That is for the other guy!

Now we face the nightmare that most middle class Argentines have their home mortgages in dollars so if the peso is devalued they will be unable to service their mortgages and lose their homes. This is a recipe for further social unrest.

Given the severity of the situation, it is quite likely that a multiple policy will eventually be introduced. This would include allowing the peso to float (downwards) to a new level; renegotiating the foreign debt after a period in default with a portion wiped out; and existing dollar deposits and loans being converted to peso obligations at a new lower exchange rate. Savers will have had some of their savings confiscated but there will eventually be a chance of economic recovery after another generation has needlessly suffered but at least the pain will have spread around.

Investment implications

Who will gain? Politicians and others who held their funds abroad in non-Argentine banks and the vulture investors, whether in defaulted bonds or repossessed real properties. Indeed, opportunity is the flip-side of risk. In this respect, we are attracted to the Telfonica de Argentine Yankee bonds trading in New York, maturing in 2004, yielding 20 percent to maturity and ultimately guaranteed by the Spanish phone company. The risk/reward seems favourable. For other vultures, it could be a great time in the next couple of years to buy an apartment or villa in Buenos Aires. The cost of living in dollar terms should plummet.

Contagion elsewhere

What should be watch out for? One is contagion to Brazil and other emerging market economies. So far the omens are favourable but the situation bears close watching. South Africa is suffering right now although we believe the situation is different: at least, South Africa has gold and other metals that people want to buy. Argentina only has beef.

Asia, in general, is in relatively good shape to avoid fall-out from Argentina. The concern for Asia will be the US economic recovery and continued deterioration in Japan's economy that could affect their currencies in the coming months.

The one remaining important currency board arrangement in the world is Hong Kong. That arrangement is still as sound as a dollar - for the time being. Hong Kong has massive currency reserves and no government debt. Prices and wages have tended to be more flexible in a downward direction than elsewhere. But the economy is sluggish and the important property industry would like to see increasing property prices and an end to negative equity in middle class properties. There are therefore increasing sotto voce voices there for a more flexible exchange rate policy. Eventually, the Hong Kong peg will likely undergo change but not in the immediate future.

IMF policy

With the exit of Stanley Fischer from the IMF look for dropping of the 'two corner solution' to exchange rate policy of either pure floating - as for the Euro, the Canadian dollar etc. - or a currency board as in Argentina. The currency board arrangement is likely to be kept to the refined form of 'dollarisation' and restricted to small economies such as those in the Pacific Islands that cannot justify the expense of having their own currency and therefore adopt another's currency. Micronesia and the Marshall Islands use the US dollar and many other islands use the Australian dollar.

It seems that the IMF and the US Treasury have decided to allow Argentina to be the first major country to go broke rather than be bailed out with more tax payer funds. Withdrawal of automatic future bailouts for the profligate may, in fact, introduce greater caution into future lending to emerging markets. Greater responsibility on the part of both investors and borrowers is clearly to be welcomed, if scenes such as those in Buenos Aires are to become less frequent in future.

William R. Thomson

Wt@momentum-asia.com.hk

16 posted on 12/29/2001 12:06:00 PM PST by Arleigh
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To: RCW2001
Violence Returns To Argentina

I remember when I was a kid, (long ago) when they changed leaders down there like they changed their shorts. (After they had all been s--t on.)

17 posted on 12/29/2001 1:57:21 PM PST by boothead
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To: Arleigh
Coupled with corruption, inept and inefficient delivery of gov't services, capital flight, and tax dodging as a national pastime, it's amazing they did not arrive at this point sooner.

One way they're an incredibly resilient, resourceful people, another way they all play the same stupid games again and again, perhaps because no one, neither the worker or the business owner, has faith one in the other or in the system(s) they continually foist upon each other.

Can't blame 'em really, but at the end of the day, any country is composed of a bunch of 'us' and if 'we' can't get it together, the laws of mathematics will not change accordingly to suit the current insanity du jour.

18 posted on 12/29/2001 2:14:57 PM PST by my trusty sig
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To: NativeNewYorker
The IMF loans go mainly to pay interest/principle payments. So whoever funds the IMF winds up paying back the loans. The institution that made the loans have their profits assured and whoever funds the IMF pays the bills.
19 posted on 12/30/2001 6:50:18 AM PST by steve50
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To: expose
All the politicians are as corrupt as each other and all we can do is take to the streets to protest Argentinean protester

Just like America

Absolutely not, you would not believe what a politician's job is in Argentina, caring for people is not a part of it, taking money from people is the main focus. Corruption and Politics are synonimous terms. In America we have angels in all parties involved by comparison, no joke. Freeping events against bad politics is a joke to an Argentine, since there isn't good politics or reasonable people to climb to power, only corruption can be expected. It's ugly as hell.

20 posted on 12/30/2001 7:51:16 AM PST by steveisright
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