Appreciating Islam

Hartford Courant ^ | Dec 24 2001 | Ed Garsten

[2Trievers]

DEARBORN, Mich. - The speaker was nearing the end of his lunch-hour talk on the basics of Islam, and his audience - about 60 Ford Motor Co. employees - was beginning to get a little fidgety.

Then he uttered what amounted to verbal caffeine: "On Sept. 11 . . ."

Mohamed E.M. El-Sayed, a Kettering University professor who is an Imam, a Muslim spiritual leader, was trying to help the gathering of white, black, Hindu, Latino and Muslim employees understand how the terrorists who carried out the attacks on Sept. 11 may have used Islam as a rationale.

[Ben Bolt]

My god is my business . This very post is why I make that comment . This my god is better than you're god , is how we all got here in the shape we are into today Rugged . Here is a tip .. It's ALWAYS good to know you're enemy , but do not confuse that comment with this / you're post . Have at it . Ping me for anything else but this .

[Ben Bolt]

BUMP , While I am here .

[Teacher317]

The attitude 'Good fences makes good neighbors' is the enemy? What insipid kumbayah response do you advocate for a religion that advocates killing, lying and raping non-believers? What is your take on the hundreds of attacks on Christian villages worldwide, including the bombing of 4 Christian churches during midnight mass at New Year's? What do you think of the millions of Muslims dancing in the streets at the thought that thousands of Americans had been slaughtered? What kind of attitude would you think appropriate for those who have had teenage daughters gang-raped and shared by gangs of 10-15 adult Muslim males who are expressly following Islamic doctrine? (See France, Autralia, and the Netherlands for about 100 cases in the last 7 years) Anything to share on the Muslim attacks in India?

Face it, friend... there is overwhelming evidence that literally thousands of Islamic leaders and millions of followers are avidly pursuing an agenda that includes death, rape, and conquest. It is literally impossible to 'get along' with those who are dedicated to your destruction.

If anything, he's being very generous in trying to simply live as 'good neighbors' (with good fences). In the long run, it is an unwise policy... unless Islam can figure out how to lose its intense desire to subjugate others. Unfortunately, Islam IS Submission (to the Will of Allah), and this is unlikely.

[aimlow]

islam sucks. About as articulate a statement that is needed for this evil religion.

[Ben Bolt]

Who is the enemy I strive to know ? Rather opinionated for you're age sport , not to mention very assuming of you . How do I strive to know them ? Please see above comment . If I may , ruggud ? If you can find it inside of you to take the focus off of you for a moment , You would grow in volume's , by LISTENING to the likes of Teacher317 , and Abwehr . You will not do this , but it will serve you well if you did . While you see confrontation , I see you in good hand's with these FReeper's .

[Ben Bolt]

Anyway , Good informative post indeed . Look's like the PC crowd is up and running again ! Thank goodness , I dont have to suffer thru this hyper sensitive Bullshot anymore -).

[2Trievers]

Thanks dorben ... it reminds me of the conversation I had with our Pakistani driver on the way to "Ground Zero the other day. commented on here : My impression of "Ground Zero"

[Teacher317]

They weren't dancing in the streets? All those images that FReepers posted were all doctored? The dozens of first-hand accounts and reports of the joy and happiness felt by Muslims are all faked by Islam-hating journalists?

[Victoria Delsoul]

Islamic view on WTC attack Does the Qur'an teach violence?

Yes, the Koran is full of violence, here are just some:

Verses from Koran

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk." Koran al-Ma'idah 5:51.8

"Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." (Koran 8:12)

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate." (Koran 9:73)

"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful." (Koran 69:30-37)

"In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost" (Koran 8:37)

"Allah (Himself) doth mock them, leaving them to wander blindly on in their contumacy." Koran 2:15

The Koran says that Christians and Jews and other religions worship devils:

"And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! We are with you; verily we did but mock." Koran 2:14"

The Koran states that God is not the same as Allah. Koran Chapter 109: Al-Kafiroon (The disbeliveers, atheists)

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

"Say: O disbeliveers!" (Koran 109:1)

"I worship not that which ye worship;" (Koran 109:2)

"Nor worship ye that which I worship." (Koran 109:3)

"And I shall not worship that which ye worship." (Koran 109:4)

"Nor will ye worship that which I worship." (Koran 109:5)

"Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion." (Koran 109:6)

The Koran describes Allah as a god of revenge:

"Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed we shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise." Koran 4:56

"And lo! the curse shall be upon thee till the Day of Judgment." Koran al-Hijr 15:35.4

"And yet a fifth, invoking the curse of Allah on him if he is of those who lie." Koran an-Nur 24:7.7

"And we made a curse to follow them in this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be among the hateful." Koran al-Qasas 28:42.5

"Our Lord! Oh, give them double torment and curse them with a mighty curse." Koran al-Ahzab 33:68.9

"Those who say the Lord of mercy has begotten a Son preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a Son to the merciful, when it did not become Him to beget one." Koran 19:88

[richardthelionheart]

Dont back down! Muslims wan the world to surrender to them and their beliefs and they threaten all those who wont submit with the "powerful Arab street." They are cowards when faced against armies. They only seem to kill unarmed civilians. islam attacked us and those who dont see this have not read or listened to Muslims in muslim countries who seem to love jihad and the death of their kids as martyrs. Keep it up and dont let the pcers threaten you.

[richardthelionheart]

Where are the churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia. islam calls non-Muslims infidels right? Islam justifies the killing of civilians, I saw many cheering the destruction of the WTC and the pentagon. All muslim countries knew of the islamic terrorists operating in Afghanistan, Kashmir, Phillipines, Israel, Indonesia, Sudan and so on and what did they do they supported them financially and provided them with diplomatic cover as is required by the Koran. Islam is the threat. It is bigoted against all infidels as it believes we should be subjugated by the sword: accept Islam or die. Who wouldnt take offense to that mindset. I do and the only racist bigot here seems to be you. Muslims hate and are filled with rage. There joy comes when there sons become martyrs! Thats sick and must be eradicated!

[duckln]

Simple! Don't buy a Ford, GM or Crysler. Buy Japanese. They even design and build better cars.

My 175,000 mile Legacy Subaru still gets 34 m/g highway and burns no oil, and passes forced yearly emmision tests.

[Victoria Delsoul]

They weren't dancing in the streets? All those images that FReepers posted were all doctored? The dozens of first-hand accounts and reports of the joy and happiness felt by Muslims are all faked by Islam-hating journalists?

Here are some examples:

Arabs celebrate the WTC terror.