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Dying boy, 15, gets wish: losing virginity
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 12/23/01 | BY BENJAMIN ERRETT

Posted on 12/23/2001 6:26:24 AM PST by Mopp4

A terminally ill boy had his dying wish granted in Australia this month, but ethicists are still at odds over whether it was the right thing to do.
The wish was not for a trip to Disneyland or to meet a famous sports star. Instead, the 15-year-old wanted to lose his virginity before he died of cancer. The boy, who remains anonymous but was called Jack by the Australian media, did not want his parents to know about his request. Because of his many years spent in the hospital, he had no girlfriend or female friends.
Jack died last week, but not before having his last wish granted. Without the knowledge of his parents or hospital staff, friends arranged an encounter with a prostitute outside of hospital premises. All precautions were taken, and the organizers made sure the act was fully consensual. The issue has sparked fierce debate over the legal and ethical implications of granting the boy's request. By law, Jack was still a child, and the woman involved could in theory face charges for having sex with a minor. The debate was sparked by the hospital's child psychologist, who wrote a letter to "Life Matters," a radio show in which academics debate ethical and moral dilemmas. The scenario was presented in the abstract, with no details about the boy's identity.

"He had been sick for quite a long period, and his schooling was very disrupted, so he hadn't had many opportunities to acquire and retain friends, and his access to young women was pretty poor," the psychologist said recently in an interview with Australia's Daily Telegraph newspaper. "But he was very interested in young women and was experiencing that surge of testosterone that teenage boys have." Hospital staff initially wanted to pool donations to pay for a prostitute, but the ethical and legal implications prevented them from doing so. The psychologist presented members of the clergy with the dilemma and found no clear answer. "It really polarized them," he said. "About half said, 'What's your problem?' And the other half said [it] demeans women and reduces the sexual act to being just a physical one."

Dr. Stephen Leeder, dean of medicine at the University of Sydney and a "Life Matters" panelist, said the issue was a difficult one. "I pointed out that public hospitals operated under the expectation that they would abide by state law," he said. "While various things doubtless are done that are at the edge of that, it's important the public has confidence that the law will be followed." Jack's psychologist, who works with children in palliative care, said the desire was driven in part by a need for basic human contact. "In a child dying over a long period of time, there is often a condition we call 'skin hunger,'" he said. The terminally ill child yearns for non-clinical contact because "mostly when people touch them, it's to do something unpleasant, something that might hurt." Leeder called the diagnosis "improbable." Judy Lumby, the show's other panelist and the executive director of the New South Wales College of Nursing, argued that the details as presented made it abundantly clear the boy's wish ought to be granted. "I said that I would try my darndest as a nurse to do whatever I could to make sure his wish came true," she said. "I just think we are so archaic in the way we treat people in institutions. Certainly, if any of my three daughters were dying, I'd do whatever I could, and I'm sure that you would, too." National Post


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To: cocknlock
I think she's kind of attracted to you......
401 posted on 12/23/2001 4:45:26 PM PST by tet68
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To: cocknlock
Well, the fact of the matter is that loveless sex has been pretty darned popular for a long time. Long enough to be considered pretty mainstream. That's not the same as saying it's just fine, but it sure isn't new. There is a huge demand. That means there must be something pretty neat about it. (go ahead and make the drugs analogy)
402 posted on 12/23/2001 4:46:49 PM PST by cocknlock
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To: TEXASPROUD
on his death bed he asked God's forgiveness for his failings as a human being

At least you admit it wasn't right.
I dont blame this misguided kid....I blame the people who helped him and told him and the rest of the world that it was OK for him to get a prostitute. It's the message they sent out and the rest of you are approving of that is wrong! I believe telling a kid that sex without love is wrong. Whats the matter with you people? What a great time to set an example...it would be with this poor kid! You would of sent a great message to many kids...to abstain no matter what instead of giving them excuses.

403 posted on 12/23/2001 4:50:32 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: cocknlock
You know, I am righteously offended by your moniker. (cock)inlock? You are going to hell! And so is anyone who helped you pick out that name!

Hmmm,,, is that a personal attack?

404 posted on 12/23/2001 4:51:03 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: Sungirl
Do you really, honestly, think that allowing this kid his wish is going to be so detrimental to other teenagers? I think maybe you don't give kids enough credit, or you give this story too much. 

There are lots more things in this world that are pushing kids to have premarital sex than this one non-event. 

You make much more out of it than it is, but it did make one dying boy happy for a little while and I say to you, that's a good thing. If you'll go back and reread the article you'll find the even the clergy they consulted on it weren't in agreement.

The psychologist presented members of the clergy with the dilemma and found no clear answer. "It really polarized them," he said. "About half said, 'What's your problem?' And the other half said [it] demeans women and reduces the sexual act to being just a physical one."

405 posted on 12/23/2001 4:52:04 PM PST by FatherTorque
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To: tet68
I'm still having a fantasy about Godly sex. That could be ............ like an epiphany! I wonder, can one do Godly moaning? But I'm really scared that it might mean, heaven forbid, something a lot less fun than dirty sex. Sex with a straight face? Godly sex vs dirty sex? What a concept!
406 posted on 12/23/2001 4:52:12 PM PST by cocknlock
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To: bigcheese
I'm offended by farting references too. But I never considered such a linkage before you brought it to my attention. Guess it just depends where ourr thoughts live. Personal attack. Naw!
407 posted on 12/23/2001 4:55:39 PM PST by cocknlock
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To: cocknlock
Darn.... I was hoping to make at least one more warrior turn tail and cry to the admin before I called it a night.
408 posted on 12/23/2001 4:56:57 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: FatherTorque
You're kidding right? This ONE incident could start something huge. It could of been used to promote good...instead it is promoting loveless (illegal) sex for teenagers! One story? Jesus was one man.
409 posted on 12/23/2001 4:58:10 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: FatherTorque
Doesn't surprise me. Kind of like the talibun (note admin: the real ones) who switch sides faster than you can blink.
410 posted on 12/23/2001 4:59:50 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: Sungirl
on his death bed he asked God's forgiveness for his failings as a human being (supposition) At least you admit it wasn't right.

Easy enough for him and for you,you're not 15 years old and in hospital dying!

Oh the horror,what if some other dying 15 year olds found out!

Say,you do like cockinlock don't you?
Maybe he'll ask you out?
You never know,love is blind they say.

411 posted on 12/23/2001 5:00:38 PM PST by tet68
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To: Sungirl
I betcha a donut that kid was pretty darned sure he was in love. Now, try the quality of love arguement. But, I think the love/loveless arguement is a done deal.
412 posted on 12/23/2001 5:01:08 PM PST by cocknlock
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To: tet68
They did not see fit to acknowledge God, so God delivered them up to their own depraved sense to do what is unseemly. They are filled with every kind of wickedness: maliciousness, greed, ill will, envy, murder, bickering, deceit, craftiness. They are gossips and slanderers, they hate God, are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wrongdoing and rebellious toward their parents. One sees in them men without conscience, without loyalty, without affection, without pity. They know God's just decree that all who do such things deserve death; yet they not only do them but approve them in others.
413 posted on 12/23/2001 5:03:33 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: tet68
Id ask her out, but she already knows that if I had a teenage daughter who I thought was an adult, and who was dying, and who was a virgin, and who asked for a stud, that I would allow it. So, I think the future of me and Sungirl is pretty dim.
414 posted on 12/23/2001 5:03:52 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Well, you nailed the without pity one pretty well.
415 posted on 12/23/2001 5:05:22 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: tet68
How do you know this boy was "happy?" They never said if he was or not. He could of been very dissappointed with himself...and unhappy.
416 posted on 12/23/2001 5:06:19 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: tet68
From what I have read tonight, we'd have a great conversation.
417 posted on 12/23/2001 5:06:21 PM PST by cocknlock
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Oh hell,we're all gonna DIE!

The important thing for YOU to consider is where were you before you were born???

Note.Write a discussion on the merits of the Dewey Decimal system and have it on my desk by MONDAY!

I know you can do it,just put on your tinfoil cap and get to work!.

418 posted on 12/23/2001 5:06:57 PM PST by tet68
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To: Sungirl
You're kidding right? This ONE incident could start something huge. It could of been used to promote good...instead it is promoting loveless (illegal) sex for teenagers! One story? Jesus was one man.

I'm kidding??  No, but I seriously hope that you are.  This one incident could start something huge??  Let me let you in on a little secret.........TEENAGERS ARE ALREADY HAVING SEX!!!!!  And it's been going on for a really long time!!!!  If you think this is going to make an iota of difference then you need to get out a little more.

419 posted on 12/23/2001 5:08:27 PM PST by FatherTorque
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To: Sungirl
Trust me, he was happy!!! Of this I am sure!! If you were a guy you'd be sure too.
420 posted on 12/23/2001 5:10:07 PM PST by FatherTorque
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