Posted on 12/21/2001 11:34:36 AM PST by onedoug
"You got me plum-hypnotized," Elmer Gantry says to Sister Sharon Falconer in that film/novel.
Is that the case with me over Joyce Meyer?
She seems pretty good at down-home preachin'. And while not a classic beauty, she yet ministers out a fair amount sex appeal, along with the word.
(I think, ultimately, it's those Texas/Missouri eyes.)
I post this to philosophy since, as I know she has a fair amount of, at least internet detractors, it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.
...Except perhaps the late Bishop Fulton J Sheen.
In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think. Particularly Evangelicals!
Thanks, and Merry Christmas to All!
J. Vernon McGee says: "This had a peculiar and particular application to Corinth. The unveiled woman in Corinth was a prostitute. Many of them had their heads shaved. The vestal virgins in the temple of Aphrodite who were really prostitutes had their heads shaved. The women who had their heads uncovered were the prositutes. Apparently some of the women in the church at Corinth were saying, "All things are lawful for me, therefore, I won't cover my head." Paul says this should not be done because the veil is a mark of subjection, not to man, but to God. Now this had a local application; it was given to the womein in Corinth. Does it apply to our day and society? . . . Seriously, regulations for a woman's dress are in regard to her ministry. If she is the lead, she ought to have her head covered. Other passages will give us more information about this. . . . 1 Tim. 2:8-10. This states that if the woman is to lift up holy hands in the service in leading, she is not to adorn herself to draw attention to herself. Very candidly, it means that the woman is not to use sex appeal in the service of God. That is exactly what it means, my friend. She is not to use sex appeal at all--it will not win her husband to Christ either."
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"Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?" [1 Cor. 11:13]
McGee says: "A woman ought not to call attention to herself when she is speaking for the Lord or teaching a Bible class or praying. There should be no sex appeal. Also, she needs to remember that her sex appeal is a tremendous thing which has the power to either lift a man up or drag him down."
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given her for a covering. [1 Cor. 11:15]
McGee says: "Now it is true that today we have liberty in Christ. The length of the hair is really not so much the issue as the motive behind it. Many men wear long hair as a sign of rebellion, and many women cut their hair as a sign of rebellion. Our moral values get turned upside down, and there is a danger of being an extremist in either direction.
Extremism leads to strange behavior . . ."
McGee, whom I respect, has much to say that contradicts your ridiculous contentions. You are, by the way, being contentious.
Don't you see the IF??? Why does it say IF? What was going on... what were the circumstances surrounding this statement? Does it not pique your curiosity?
Oh well... I guess I'll never get you to answer my question either... but that's ok. My Mom always said...(and still holds true today) that when you point a finger at someone in accusation... you have three pointing right back atcha! :)
As far as serving the same God? I'm a Blood-bought, Born-again, Bible-believing, Child of God. I believe in the power AND the fruits of the Holy Spirit. I was saved by His Mercy and Grace, with forgiveness... through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, His ONLY begotten Son....knowing I could never get to Heaven on my own merit and good works.. or by self-deceptive acts of righteousness and holiness.
Obviously...I don't qualify as a Christian in your belief system/church. How truly sad that is. I would accept YOU...no matter what you looked like... how you wore your hair, makeup or dresses. My primary concern would be to introduce you to a loving, merciful and forgiving Savior. I'd let God deal with the rest. (He can, you know!) *wink*
Joyce Meyer rubbed me the wrong way the first few times I listened to her....(rough around the edges) but I gave her the benefit of the doubt...and now enjoy her matter-of-fact persona and teaching of the Word. She uses her prior mistakes in life as examples to others (which takes true humbleness before the Lord) and makes jokes about her resistance to being a submissive wife... relating how the Lord had to straighten her out and utilize that strong-willed nature for Him and not for her own selfish desires. I can relate.....believe me. *chuckle*
I'm not a JM junkie... but I think she's sincere and has solid teaching.
And this is just what you are doing here on this board. Where does this put you? Why is it okay for you...and not for Joyce Meyer? (for the 3rd time and not really expecting a straight answer)
Are you a keeper at home? I don't know.... but I have surmised alot of things thru this discourse.
Yep, she rubbed me wrong at first too--I think I was expecting another phony, like Swaggart or those others, but she's not and I like her myself. She's teaching sounding doctrine. God has given her the gift of teaching.
I now see why your doctrine is so screwed up. You following legalism, as imposed by the Baptist church (who are known to adding man made rules and imposing them onto the members of their congregation). I have attended several Baptists churches; they are among the most legalistic denominations I know. You, who insult McGee!
1 Cor. Chapter 14 concerns the exercise of gifts
1 Cor. 14:1-6 concerns superiority of prophecy
1 Cor. 14:7-25 concerns the gift of tongues
1 Cor. 14:26-40 concerns exercising those gifts in public worship
With regard to public worship, a church service is to be orderly, not confusion. Paul sets the example for how speaking in tongues is to be done in an orderly manner (For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted [14:31].
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [14:34]
Now what is Paul talking about here? Tongues. He is not saying that a woman is not to speak in church; he is saying that she is not to speak in tongues in the church.
When Paul refers to the "commandments of the Lord" [1 Cor. 14:38], he is referring to the passage immediately prior to his writing about prophecy and gifts used within the church; it is not a blanket statement about women's hair length, that was in another chapter, and that is not a commandment of God, rather, Paul's preference that women have their hair long, due to the fact that prostitutes shaved their head in Corinth:
"But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God" [1 Cor. 11:16].
Paul says here that the church ought not to make rules in connection with the matter of women's dress or men's hair. The really important issue is the inner man. It is the old nature which needs a haircut and the robe of righteouness. The haircut and style of clothes won't make much difference if our old nature is under the control of the Holy Spirit, Who will take care of the outer man. Paul is just stating his opinion about men's and women's hair and dress.
Morning to you, and God's blessing as well. Thanks again for your post. For the most part, the discussion has been informative and civil.
I am hoping you are not casting J. Vernon Mcgee, myself, and numerous others into your pot of ignorant "fools." Have a nice day, yourself.
Sorry, comments were not directed to you, just to keep you informed with discussion.
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